(Q) What is status of company with E. W. Grove now and his
feelings to [
257]?
(A) These conditions have been changed materially since we
had same here, and, as seen, the body Grove and associates
are CONFIDENTIAL, even, with the body [
257], and there needs
be little fear that this end of the work in hand may not be
carried out properly. This has been in this direction very
well done, and much has been accomplished in this direction.
There needs not be WORRY as respecting the abilities OF the
proposition to be handled through Wertheim and associates,
as well as those that are REALLY interested in same from the
status in which [
257] has approached same. While there are
those that are not wholly in accord with the ideas and ideals
of [
257] as respecting the closing or handling of deal, this
will be carried forward and in due time be consummated, if
this will be kept wholly in Wertheim's hands and his CLOSER
associates.
(Q) What final amount of stock and cash will it be necessary
to give Grove for his consent to final sale?
(A) This has been worked out to some extent by Grove, but
the final amount about three-fourths of that as first asked
and sufficient of the stock that the income from the changes
would, in a manner, meet that as is being received through
the GENERAL conditions at present. Retaining Grove as a
member, or a chairman of Board.
(Q) Is Grove sincere with his desire to work with [
257]?
(A) Sincere, but once crossed by someone outside that would
attempt to supplant or eliminate Grove from the promises
[
257] has made, it wouldn't be so well!
(Q) Who would attempt to cross him?
(A) As has been given, there are some that are interested
that are, in a manner, feeling that TOO much is being left
in the hands of [
257] and Grove. Not so! But these would
attempt to supplant Grove by their OWN associates and
associations, see?
(Q) How can [
257] prevent that?
(A) By the manner in which the contracts are drawn!
(Q) When will [
257] have everything ready to discuss with
Grove in New York?
(A) Eight to ten days.
(Q) What should [
257] say to Grove at once? or write to
him?
(A) Just lay the cards on the table and tell him the
conditions!
(Q) Should [
257] go to St. Louis first or have Grove in
N.Y. next?
(A) As seen, better to meet Grove in St. Louis and TOGETHER
go to New York after the arrangements are ready to be made
final.
(Q) Was Mr. Wertheim impressed with the proposition before
leaving New York?
(A) His actions indicated his attitude towards same! He
was.
(Q) What decisions was reached in the conference with his
partner, Mr. Klinkenstein?
(A) That these would not be allowed to get out of their
hand. That's inside! As to the actions of each, these will
be attempted to be put off until there are other consider-
ations or other conditions attempted to be worked out. Keep
right after it. Get the thing ready to be handled in the
proper shape - get all of the associations and connections -
and then let them make the agreements, sign, write same,
deliver same for their handling.
(Q) Klinkenstein has written [
257] an agreement to sign.
Are the terms satisfactory?
(A) In general, satisfactory.
(Q) What changes would be suggested?
(A) Only that of [
257]'s position in the end and the
relationships with Grove and [
257]. Let it be KNOWN that
their relationships are to be as one!
(Q) What should [
257] add for his future material protection
and profit?
(A) Add that, and let their interests be as one, and be
sufficient protection with the chairman of the Board and with
the position as should be occupied by [
257] in the holding
of stock and associations with same.
(Q) Should [
257] say definitely how much money he should
receive for salary?
(A) This had best be as to the applications of conditions
as they expand, for there will be many - especially with
Grove and Grove's associates - through which [
257] will be
able to gain a much better knowledge of the handling of such
conditions, and of the amount of salary that should be
commensurate with that as is put forth for the assistance of
the undertaking. Make self indispensable WITH the whole
operations. This can be made most with Grove, and with the
operations of self.
(Q) Should a time limit be set for Grove's chairmanship of
the Board?
(A) This may be made in the form of CONDITIONS.
(Q) In the original contract?
(A) Or in - RATHER in the agreements as the conditions arise
AFTER contract.
(Q) Can the firm of Wertheim be relied upon to put the deal
over successfully?
(A) Be relied upon - for they'll call in others, and others
from the very ones that have refused, in a manner - but they
can be relied upon, if the word of Wertheim is given.
(Q) What time limit should be set for their handling of
matter?
(A) A decent time that gives the opportunity of all to go
thoroughly into the conditions, but the time limit should be
in keeping with the time limit as is asked for by GROVE.
(Q) Will Grove agree to ninety days?
(A) That would be rather hard to indicate. There will be
some changes - that's one of the reasons why it would be
necessary for [
257] to meet Grove in St. Louis again.
(Q) Did [
257] do right in eliminating Hammerling by written
agreements? [Max Hammerling, lawyer.]
(A) Did right.
(Q) What share should go to Hammerling for introducing [
257]
to Wertheim?
(A) That agreed upon at first,
(Q) Are there any suggestions [
257] should make Klinkenstein
to aid in handling purchase of company?
(A) Not other than those that Klinkenstein will ask for as
developments go.
(Q) Should [
257] mention definitely or as agreement reads
about his future with new company and amount of income he is
to receive?
(A) This is as has been given.
(Q) Please dictate the full terms that [
257] should ask of
Wertheim and Company?
(A) These have been agreed to in part, that has been given
is satisfactory, with only the changes as have been outlined.
Let it be known definitely that [
257]'s interests are with
those OF Wertheim, but as an ACTIVE force with Grove. Also
that, as the efforts of the body to act in the capacity of
the directing force, so as to increase the advantage as is
gained by the activities of the larger capitalization, that
this basis will be the basis for the INCOME from same, as
well as of the stock itself and of the interest for the first
handling - that flat, or course, as given.
(Q) What agreement should [
257] make with E. W. Grove, Jr.,
as to what he should receive for handling sale of company?
(A) That of the commission as is given in such conditions,
as well as that of the good will of each in handling
conditions and the new changes in the operations as one.
(Q) Should [
257] suggest any written agreement with Mr. Orr
of St. Louis Union Trust at this time?
(A) Only when the ready action is in hand.
(Q) What will be Fred Seeley's future connection with new
company?
(A) Advisor.
(Q) Openly or secretly to [
257]?
(A) Secretly at first, but gradually in the open.
(Q) What consideration and profit are [
257]'s business
associates - Ben Lauterstein and Irving H. Isaacs - entitled
to?
(A) Only that as they show their ability to be of assistance
in handling the proposition.
(Q) Will they be necessary to close the deal?
(A) In a manner, they will. More as that of the background
than of actual operations, though a word from them could
EASILY spoil the whole operations. Hence the good favor must
be continued to exist in the handling of the operations.
This could only come through that continued good will as is
necessary, that is coming to EACH through the ability OF the
associate to handle such as undertaking.
(Q) Why did Ralph Jonas fail to act in handling this deal?
(A) Other interests interfered - but, as given, will be
partly in on the deal before it's through.
(Q) Did Irving Isaacs discuss the matter with Ralph Jonas?
(A) In a manner, yes. Not to a great extent.
(Q) Was it helpful?
(A) WILL be later on. Not at present. Other interests
interfered.
(Q) For what amount should new company be recapitalized?
(A) Fifty to a hundred million.
(Q) Will they be able to do this on this one holding?
(A) Be able to do this, with the expansions, in this
holding.
(Q) Have Mr. Jonas' associates informed him they are
endeavoring to buy the company?
(A) They HAD so informed him.
(Q) Has [
257] any particular condition or happening in this
negotiation to be warned of?
(A) None other than as has been intimated or given here.
(Q) [
257] mentioned Cayce to Grove. Is it advisable now to
introduce Cayce to him, since he has manifested so much
interest? [Work:EC]
(A) At the proper time, yes.
(Q) When would be the proper time?
(A) When it was the proper time to negotiate again with
Grove!
(Q) Has [
257] conducted himself in the handling of these
negotiations properly, in the sight of God and man?
(A) Correct.
(Q) How can [
257] further prove himself worthy of the divine
help and guidance?
(A) Be unto those as are in the negotiations, that as is the
necessary stay for each, so that the dependence upon the
activities of [
257] are such that each individual finds the
reflection of that ennobling self that goes with that of REAL
good business. We are through.
BACKGROUND
5/04/29 He obtained Business Rdg.
257-39 advising how best to
close Paris Medicine deal in St. Louis, Mo.
5/27/29 He was present, submitting further questions.
REPORTS
5/27/29 P.M. Mr. [
257] obtained Business Rdg.
257-41
answering questions on many other phases of his business
associations.



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