(Q) Please describe the faces of those whom I could not call
by name, yet with whom I was dealing, and tell me what the
advice or warnings were in my dream at 3:00 A. M. Monday,
6/12/33. Why was K. [Julius Kahn?] trying to smother or
chloroform me? What has he to do with me? Why was he in
the picture at all? Why did I handcuff him? Why did I
attack him physically afterwards and give him a thrashing?
Is all this for warning or from an overtired brain? Who
else figured with me in all these mix-ups and why? Please
give detailed significance and advice.
(A) These, as we find, are not of necessity a portion of
the warning; nor are they of the nature of a warning. Rather
the presenting of conditions in the experience of self in
relationships to the individuals that were the principals
in that visioned. Those faces seen represent rather a
condition than individuals. For, there were the attempts
on the part of the principals to make for an unsympathetic
reaction to the body of self; or an urge in that direction
to prevent the reactions or activities of the body. Then
there were the resultant activities in self to repel. This
is as one given in those suggestions as to the associations
of individuals when, and before, this connection was made;
that there should be the satisfying of self as to the
ability of the individuals to fulfil - through their offices
- their portions of agreements, and that there should be on
the part of self the meeting of all requirements for the
fulfilling of self's own part of agreement. These having
been only completed in part, and not wholly satisfactory to
body, the conditions in the present that arise are the
inefficiency in part, the inability in part of others to
supply the products in the manner and way that has been
understood; yes, understood - but so set in such a way and
manner as to not to be compulsory on the part of either of
the principals! Hence the conditions that have arisen. And
the vision is rather the presenting of the facts as they
exist, rather than a warning, were they reduced to physical
- PHYSICAL - manifestation, see?
This is not understood by self here. That is, the vision is
a representation - in a manifested form, were it reduced
physically, to the existent conditions that are between the
principals in that visioned. The cause is as we have
outlined. The correction is to get all of these portions
straight; for the abilities are there - in both parties, see?
(Q) In regard to Monday meeting in N.Y., [with lawyers in
re lawsuit?] should I consider #1 or #2 plan for immediate
adoption? That is, (#1) settlement of about 2% with a stock
promise to all creditors or (#2) complete bankruptcy?
(A) These have been presented in so many ways and manners
that it seems unnecessary to reiterate that which has already
been given.
To accept #1 on a settlement of an interest in, through stock
issuance, will continue to make the continual nagging, the
continual attempt to delve into all the activities, and will
continue to keep the body in hot water.
The conditions in complete bankruptcy are to self a very
unsatisfactory way and manner, but unless they may be settled
without strings tied in such a way, as we find these would
be the better.
(Q) Considering attitude of LeRoy Mandle, [
3734]'s atty.,
36 W. 44th St., N.Y., for what further attacks by Mandle
should I prepare myself?
(A) The delving into all the connections, all the
associations, all the activities in every field of endeavor.
For, he will continue to nag until there is some definite
settlement made. Either make it on the basis of this is this
and it's done forever, or make it so there is no reaction
from behind in any way!
(Q) Could Mandle do me any further injustice or harm after
petition is filed?
(A) If filed properly, and as given. If this is the
decision, and the correct proposals are set up - Make all
connections, all conditions in ORDER, see? Then file
petition as soon as all are in readiness, if that is the
decision! It's not that desired, but to make settlements
in other directions and have strings to them would be very
bad.
(Q) From what address should petition be filed - office or
home - for least publicity?
(A) There will be little publicity to such in either way!
Only file in such a way and manner that there may be no
questioning, either from government authorities or from any
that the petitions affect.
(Q) What day of week best to file same?
(A) As soon as it is absolutely ready! It doesn't matter
about the week or day either!
(Q) What further embarrassment will I receive from income
tax people, caused by [
3734] and the priest?
(A) Depends upon what is the attitude! If it's taken
through the bankruptcy, that ends it also - see?
(Q) How long will it take to be discharged from bankruptcy
on present plan?
(A) Thirty to forty days.
(Q) Should meeting be called first of creditors, or file
petition first and then call meeting of creditors for final
settlement?
(A) That should be the decision as to what is best. This
is dependent upon what type of bankruptcy proceedings, which
should be advised from the attorneys' standpoint, according
to the law that governs same, see?
(Q) Where can I make the quickest turn to make money for
needs of my own and Cayce family?
(A) In any of those connections or associations, which would
have little or nothing to do with the proceedings as to the
filing of petitions. These channels that have been opened,
that are opened, may be carried on through - see? Not in
speculative; rather the actual activities. These are saner;
these are safer.
(Q) Considering that I will follow the full plan and make
a new start, please given resume now of my future success,
giving the things to which I should attend first -
(A) Attend first to that in the hand at the present; for
remember - throughout those periods when there is the
adjustment - there should be the rest period by self,
mentally and physically - see? Let this first be set. If
that is the decision, that it is to be filed, then rest that
period. During THAT period may there be given that outline,
manner and way which would be better - but don't reach those
before it is the proper time; for it would then be hindering
the very attempts that are being made to clarify self - see?
It is well for every individual to always be prepared,
but there may be such a preparedness as to cause so much
animosity, so much curiosity, so much activity, as to cause
criticism and even suspicions that become destructive to all
in their activities. This will apply in life in any of its
phases, and especially in business relations.
(Q) Who is the soundest and best advisor among the lawyers
I now have?
(A) The Olvany company.
(Q) Should I include the assets of Kentucky estates, or
leave them where they are in the company to which they
belong?
(A) They should be left in the company to which they belong,
UNLESS they have already been filed against - and they have
been looked up, to be sure!
(Q) How about Wood & Metal Corp.?
(A) It's the same. If they are clear, leave them where
they are.
(Q) Should I include indebtedness of Cayce Hospital as
endorsed to Definite Contract Co. of Norfolk by me?
(A) This should be included.
(Q) How much of an asset is it?
(A) It's a liability, not an asset!
(Q) How can Paris Medicine claim be further protected from
attack?
(A) Let it be included, if it is so desired - or is
attacked; for, as we have given, unless it was closed at the
time outlined for it, there will be required a new deal.
(Q) Is it properly handled now by Olvany office? thru
Berliner & Oestr [Eicher]?
(A) It's very well handled.
(Q) Will it be open to attack later by [
3734]?
(A) As given, if it is desired - and IS attacked (and it's
been approached), let 'em include it! Let THEM fight it out!
(Q) Any other advice for [
257] at the present time?
(A) First decide within self, see - what is to be
accomplished, see. Take the time to rest, to recuperate -
and during that period lay the plans, set the plans for that
which may be accomplished.
We are through for the present.
Copy to Self
Copy to File
BACKGROUND
5/31/33 He obtained
257-110.
6/12/33 He wrote (at 3 a.m.): "I've been through the depths
this wk. and last, trying to reach a decision - and finding
a way to defeat the purpose of my arch enemy of ruining me
entirely. Their hatred [[
900] & [
137] & [
3734]] is real
venom, but I've gotten my lawyers together for tomorrow
[today?] to see what I can do. It is now 3 a.m. - it seems
all my dreams are at that hour. Please go over my dream
which occurred at this hour - Monday - and give me the
warnings I feel are within reach - also the questions I've
asked, so I can be guided accordingly. Even though advised
to go into bankruptcy, I feel there is a better way out,
even though it may take a little more out of me and more
hard work; and if I can't, then this week I will decide
fully. Please rush this back to me. [He submitted first
two questions, regarding the lawsuit against him and the
dream, then asked:]
"Now you will have Julius Kahn of Youngstown Truscon Steel,
Buckley his new treasurer, Harry Woodhead at Cleveland plant
of Truscon Steel, G. M. Johnson of Universal Cooler, Detroit.
Please tell me what they are going to do to aid or deter us
in the sales and development of [
257] Corp. What should I
do now to insist on present working arrangement being carried
through?" [Etc.]
REPORTS
6/25/33 He obtained
257-112.
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