(Q) Reference the advice that [
257] should make a contract
with Sam Ungerleider, [
257] followed the approach and did
the work. Please advise what happened that changed Sam
Ungerleider's word, once he had given it to [
257] and Jack
Eisman that the deal was closed and all the atty. would have
to do is draw the papers.
(A) If the body [
257] will refer to the former information
given him respecting the associations and the approaches to
Ungerleider, there will be seen much of the experience that
has come to pass. That the papers were to be drawn, that to
[
257] the deal or contract was made, should be the evidences
not only of the warnings in the first approach but in that
given respecting Eisman and [
257], and Ungerleider, that
there should be as given then - that if Ungerleider, [
257]
and Eisman were to be associated each must draw his own
position in such measures and manners that there might be
no misunderstanding.
From much that has gone before take a warning. There has
been given oft that the measure ye mete is measured. And
oft the body [
257] has been in the position as being
misrepresented in the associations with this, that or the
other deal. These should all, in their proper place, in
their proper sphere, be analyzed; and there will be seen
much that would be worth while in the experience of the
mind, the body of [
257]. Then, the question is:
What has caused this apparent change of attitudes on the
part of the individuals in this particular deal? Not that
there is the unfriendliness, but the fear on the part of
Ungerleider of the associations becoming too broadly spread
in the activities through the voice of [
257]. For the
policies, the attitudes towards the activities of these are
very far apart, as we have indicated. It will then require
time and understanding and relationships in such manners as
to bring about a closer relationship, if these are ever to
be in the way of being amiable or worth while.
(Q) What can [
257] do now to make something out of the
situation for his benefit?
(A) Only through the association with Eisman, that the
effort was on the part of both and that each should share
in the immediate situation.
(Q) Will the Ungerleider firm be successful with the plans
as outlined to [
257] and Eisman?
(A) If these are, as we find, altered (as they were in
part); or if there is the basis of a successful operation
necessity will demand some alterations in the developments
of the plans.
(Q) Which member of the family should [
257] counsel with to
get the consideration that he feels be deserves?
(A) As seen and known, all look to Sam in the final analyses
of the situations. Then, IN the manner as first given should
the approach and the association and connections be made
with this body by [
257] for the more amicable and amiable
situations.
And, as given, this requires time; will require the right
sort of activity that makes for the creating of the air of
responsibility, of ability to meet situations in all of their
phases, and to show self ([
257]) as being reliable in EVERY
sense, and able to keep counsel and to keep the word without
any show of passing on to others in ANY manner.
(Q) Who is the one party that [
257] will have to straighten
out, if he expects to work with them?
(A) As given. No straightening out; just make the situation
amicable.
(Q) What will be necessary for the firm to get in cash to be
successful as [
257] has in mind?
(A) As indicated.
(Q) Should [
257] attempt any association between the
Ungerleider firm and the Mission Dry Co. of 11 W. 42nd St.,
etc.?
(A) This will depend upon being able to show self as being
in the position, from every angle and sense and phase, as we
have indicated with Ungerleider.
(Q) Will [
257] be better off working with Mission alone?
(A) This AGAIN depends upon the situations that have been
given. Either they must be localized or centralized or
concentrated on the efforts in one direction as
individuals, each sharing one with the other and then
dependent one upon the other in the manner formerly
indicated, or BETTER that they work alone.
If it isn't possible for [
257] to MAKE self - as it were -
in a manner indispensable to Ungerleider and associates,
then best to work alone, or with those individuals whom [
257]
has been told again and again that they are a balance one
for another - [
257] and [
426].
(Q) What association can be valuable between Eisman and
[
257] since he has the present arrangement with Ungerleider
as arranged by [
257]?
(A) This has been given before and here iterated, that
they - [
257] - Eisman - can form an agreement with one
another as a pact, and as in regular order, that they work
TOGETHER; though they may be working on different
propositions, see? If this cannot be made entirely
satisfactory - now this is outside of Ungerleider; this is
Eisman and [
257] ... ENTIRELY satisfactory - to both - than
work alone!
(Q) Does Sam Ungerleider feel any obligation to [
257] in
the Eisman matter since he changed his word to [
257]?
(A) This is in part a "feeling out" of [
257] as to his
adaptability and dependability in the associations; as he
does - as these are his tactics. As to the obligation, it
is not as an obligation - as business as business
associations and business tactics - choosing the way that
to them, to Ungerleider, is the better, the more economical,
and the more far-reaching. Hence the necessity of [
257],
not as to good graces but as to abilities and qualifications
in meeting the situations. This isn't selling sticks of
wood, nor metal and wood; this is an entirely different
condition - dealing with different characters, individuals
that think from a different basis!
(Q) What should [
257]'s next move be to Ungerleider?
(A) First analyze all that has been given through these
sources; correlate same with the situations as they have
developed step by step; then consider within self as to
whether it is worthy or worth the trial, the attempt, to make
the effort, or is it the better for self's own interests,
self's own way or method or policy of doing and associating
in business and in business relations, to make the effort to
make the grade, as it were, for qualifying - and then choose.
For, as has been said and oft given, unless an association
can be an is wholehearted one with another, knowing and being
able to depend upon one another in every situation that may
arise, it CANNOT be EVER made a congenial or a developing or
growing or worth while situation.
(Q) Please advise [
257] as you did years ago in the Albert
Pick-Federal matter, what he should do step by step to again
be successful in this field.
(A) As given and outlined here, and given again: First
take all those situations that confront the body from every
angle, and after analyzing them, comparing self and self's
abilities, self's qualifications, the qualifications, the
tactics and the policies of those with whom the body would
associate, and who would be the better. Then work and PAY
that necessary in effort, time, endeavor, to make the
connections in such a manner as to meet every situation.
(Q) Will [
257] be able to close a deal with Mr. Perry Osborn
for an association?
(A) (Interrupting) This will depend upon [
257]'s doing as
has been indicated here. IS such an association and
connection DESIRABLE above all others? If this is the
decision, after the whole analysis of the tactics, policies
and manners of the individual in EVERY angle, then MAKE of
self such an one - in whatever the needs and qualifications
are - to MEET those. As to whether he can, to be sure he can
if he will meet these. Is it the most desirable of ALL?
That should be the question first, and that should be
answered within self - rather than through such information
as here - as to which is the best, which is the better to be
sought in the associations of self.
(Q) What can [
257] do for Osborn to prove his worth and
ability?
(A) As stated. It isn't the desire on the part of Osborn,
Ungerleider or any ASSOCIATE of this nature to be shown,
other than the abilities, the qualifications, the
straightforwardness and the ability to CARRY ON! How may
this be shown? Not by bragging about what HAS been done, but
MEETING the situations - if these connections are the most
desirable of all!
(Q) What will [
257]'s next move be on the Asheville Bond
refunding to show Osborn how he works?
(A) It has been given in the whole situation as to what
point the situation is at this time. Then make the move
necessary to follow those instructions that have been given
respecting the Bond situation, showing self familiar (if
familiar, and if not don't pretend to be!), meeting the
associations and connections necessary; show self to be in
the position to make those contacts - if it IS true within
self. Don't OVERSELL self, as sometimes the body does!
(Q) Mr. Joe Murphy - 6th floor Federal Reserve Bldg. -
(A) (Interrupting) We haven't him, but we have [
257] and
his associations!
(Q) (Continuing) has given [
257] advice how to obtain the
loan -
(A) (Interrupting) Then follow it!
(Q) (Continuing) Can Murphy work it out for me as he
advises?
(A) Doesn't he rather advise something that [
257] is to do
respecting what [
257] has said that he knows, and whom he
knows, and who he can go to? Isn't there something for [
257]
rather than Murphy? If [
257] does so and so, then Murphy can
work it! Accept it, if you can do it! If you can't,
ACKNOWLEDGE that you can't.
(Q) Considering all the facts and new conditions, will
whiskey still be the quickest returns for [
257] in view of
present circumstances?
(A) This depends upon the decisions that are made by [
257]
respecting the various connections that are asked about. But
when it is asked about the various ones, and for the best in
this, how can it be best in Bond and in whiskey at the same
time? Which can be used or made to make the quickest return?
The one that is in the position to be made the more active
in the more IMMEDIATE future!
(Q) Wherein did he err, and advise him how to correct if err
he did?
(A) As has been indicated and given!
(Q) What will be the outcome of the [
257] - Bronfman
negotiations for commissions due [
257] on the sale of
liquor -
(A) (Interrupting) Carry this on out, but let it be in the
same sort of attitudes. There CANNOT be - as [
257] KNOWS (or
should know) - fighting a man and trying to work with him,
trying to introduce him to give self a show - and at the same
time fighting! Either collect one or settle, get out and
change, or DO those things necessary to show self active!
What is the outcome? What is the decision of [
257]? [
257]'s
mind in respect to the various things changes as oft as
Ungerleider's or Bronfman's! Then, which is to considered as
even a basis for specific or certain activity? [
257] is
seeking - then [
257] must set an IDEAL way and manner, and
not be wishy-washy about what his intentions or desires are!
(Q) Reference an association with Edward Whalen -
(A) (Interrupting) Again, here we find - as [
257] sees - he
is working with an individual who is already associated with
associates that [
257] is attempting to make connections and
associations with, and [
257] should be and is aware that all
of these negotiations or activities go immediately back to
the Chief and to those whom the body has attempted to make
associations! These only make confusions. Either separate
self and work with individuals, or work with the Chief!
(Q) Please interpret the dream, a copy of which I hold in my
hands. [GC held copy of dream in her hand as written out by
Mr. [
257] on
9/11/34: "We have a lot of beautiful cars, some
look like street cars and some buses and some carriages.
There are
5-6 of us, and we start to clean them outside. I
get a lot of rags and soap and furnish my friends with clean,
lovely bathrobes to cover their clothes. I, too, am
assisting, and when I go to cleaning I take as my car one in
a corner, and all of a sudden, a wasp comes out of a quiet
nest, just one, and attacks me. I call and call but no one
seems to hear me, and finally one of the boys rushes over and
aids me to defend myself - just in time to save me from a
terrible stinging, as I seem to be caught in a corner.
Please tell me which associate whom I've done business with,
or am doing with, represents the wasp."]
(A) First the body should analyze in self that which is - as
given the body oft - the basis from which the activities of
the mental self are given, whether from the activities of
associations and their relationships with same, of from
activities of things within the body as may be correlated
with the body. The BODY may analyze same, interpret same,
BETTER; for it can do it better for its own activity than
were it done by the most wonderful of all interpreters. And
so may it be given to all. Save when there are those
periods when there is the seeking as of the King even into
the courts of the prison for those that may be raised within
the effort to those positions of affluence for the carrying
out of those things that are necessary; then these show
themselves in their relationships even as then.
So in this vision, analyze self and self's relationships and
how these are given; for these are as basic truths: From the
spiritual or divine there may come dreams or visions that
show that the higher forces are in association, or desirous
of warning or aiding individuals in their activities, or they
may - through the very indiscretions of the body-mind - come
from influences that are in the activity with the body's
assimilation, making for a connection with the activities of
the body mentally and physically; and thus are as warnings
respecting the physical body, dealing not at all with those
activities in the material or the mental or the spiritual
welfare of the individual. THESE the body, as each has been
given, should analyze for himself. If it be from the higher
forces it will be shown thee again, even THREE TIMES - then
the interpretation maybe given.
(Q) Any further advice for [
257] at this time?
(A) Take the time, [
257], to analyze all that has been
given. Thou art capable, thou art trustworthy, but thine
activities oft to those in authority or in power belie these
very conditions in THEIR own analysis of thy efforts. Why?
Thou art unstable, then to the extent that thou presentest
not the same character of front, the same character of
dependability, the same character of activity; but as those
of your underhand tactics in going in and enquiring in
through the back door oft. "Not by might nor by power, but
by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts," may those that make
pretentions to enter in at the straight gate and go in the
straight and narrow way, that would ask or seek of demand of
the spirit of truth for aid. Don't blind self, for the way
is opened - the Lord is nigh unto thee. Thou alone oft
block thy vision of Him and what He would do with thee.
We are through.
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BACKGROUND
8/28/34 He obtained
257-137.
9/11/34 He submitted further questions.
REPORTS
9/26/34 He referred
789-1, saying:
"Now for myself - I have read and reread all the readings
- much could have been done to follow - were the traveling
expenses and etc. available - but they were not - hence the
delay - but with S.U. - I had his word - all set - go ahead
he said - and the lawyer will draw the papers - he did draw
them - but drew me out of the deal at the same time - I saw
A.U. - Gordon - and family at the [
426] wedding - they are
friendly - they are sorry - they promise big things in the
future - but this is the third deal with them - and so far
no money - I am visiting the Bronfmans - that S.U. says owes
me the commission - but we will see how that comes out - Now
the question is - am I still to be friendly and stay close
to Eisman - who received a contract for 150? each week -
Eisman says he will join and Go thru with me - is it best - ?
Do you believe that he and I should go together. - Funny
Elliman called me up - now the readings told me what to do
with him - I did - but when he felt that he was all set - he
dropped me - but you see he is where he started - so he is
off the list - the reading stated that never go into the back
door - in this connection - I went at the suggestion of S.U.
to Whelan the latter - was sore at that - and I got him
straight - but in doing so I played square - since he was
pacified with S.U. again - I was not needed to do his work
- but when Whelan has been my friend - and has a family - why
should I injure him - for the benefit of S.U. - I have kept
as you see all parties friendly - well think this over and
see what you think - in the situation - Now as for the
furniture - I have a meeting with O'Connor the partner of the
President. tomorrow - about the loan - I am doing all the
suggestions here - and thru this channel - field - to
Washington - and see how it works - As to the dream - I felt
the Wasp was S.U. - did not sting me - but warned me that he
was - so if I am the interpreter that's what I felt - Well
you know Judge - the many angles that come up into a deal -
but I am trying to land one - and am forced to keep in touch
with many - if I can land the factory as we have decided
that's best - but in the meantime I must sell so I guess I
will try to work with Eisman - as soon as he is set up to
sell and try the factory on the other side - in spare time.
I am worn out with all the family problems - [
459]'s affairs
- I worry about you - have our own family and sometime I feel
it is impossible - and yet I know the good Lord has never
failed us - Mr. Osborn has joined his Uncle's firm - and who
works for them but Mr. Weisbrot - of Blumenthal fame - so now
I will meet him - and he still a friend - but it takes energy
and it takes a lot of time - and must be done. I must go now
for a treatment at Reilly's and will write you later - wish
you would take time and see what you think the plans best be
- I have several on the work - and [
426] will help - as soon
as my mind is clear. If the time permits I wish you would
check my physical and see why I still suffer with my back
pains and feet pains..." [Etc.]
10/02/34 He obtained Physical Rdg.
257-139.
11/02/34 He obtained Business Rdg.
257-140.
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