GC: You will have before you the bodies and enquiring minds
of [W...], Mrs. [
459], and [...], of Room 1240 at ... St.,
N.Y. City, and their associations and connections with Camp
Ronah, Lake George opposite The Hague, N.Y., Camp Sagamore,
same place; Arcady Country Club, same place; Yeshiva College,
Amsterdam Ave. cor. 187th St., N.Y. City; and Mr. [
257] ...,
St., N.Y.C. You will answer the questions they will ask you
regarding all of these.
EC: Yes, we have those conditions and relations, and those
questions as sought between individuals as concerning the
relationships, as respecting camps, college sites, camp
sites, and individuals' relationships with same - [W...] -
[
459] - [...]. Also those places, individuals, and
conditions.
In these questioning there should be more than just the
seeking of that which will bring a material understanding
between the individuals, as respecting individual
responsibility, or the aid that may be given individuals,
respecting places and conditions, and things.
These that may be given, applied in a proper manner, may
bring that which is beneficial to all concerned. These
sought for, or asked merely for the obtaining of that
knowledge that may aid another in gaining an access to
conditions to be foreseen, may expect same to turn upon
themselves in a manner such as is sought to gain a
foreknowledge of another. Be mindful, then, as to how, when
and where such information may be used, and HOW same is
applied in the life of each. Know well from what source it
comes, and use in THAT direction alone. Ready for questions.
(Q) To what extent financially and socially have Camp R...
and Camp S... been successful?
(A) This would depend entirely upon the MANNER of approach,
and what is to be termed a success. Financially, this has
proven unsatisfactory for some seasons. In the last season
the analyzing of the conditions, surroundings, financially
were more gratifying. In the manner of approach as
concerning the good builded in the lives of those attending
same, and the social WELFARE of those so attending, these
depend upon the manner in which each USES that gained in
their own lives, as to the success that is made of same.
More satisfactory in a GENERAL manner, if THAT is the idea of
approach.
(Q) Can Mr. [L...]'s judgement be trusted in the
organization of the camp?
(A) Trusted, if the FINANCIAL side or conditions are to be
considered first; yet counsel - or the social welfare of
those so attending is to be considered first. As a whole, or
generally speaking, trusted.
(Q) What proposition would be best regarding Camp S...?
(A) That of the same manner in which there was the last
analysis of the situation and the needs of same. This may be
the best proposition in the division of the various groups
that may attend, in the various periods, the various ages and
the various instructors or various assistants in the various
periods - these would be well to consider. That better
financially, and the better aid may be had from the
conducting of such by a proper correlation of the various
ages and various activities of those so attending.
(Q) What gross revenues resulted from the operation of Camp
R..., Camp S..., and the A... Country Club during the year
1930?
(A) This is already known, except that which has been given.
(Q) Why does Mr. [L...] want to sell or lease Camp R...?
(A) Incapacitated in the handling of same through the
various positions or conditions which have confronted the
body as respecting same, though - as is seen by the data that
is furnished - these are in keeping with that which he gives
as the outlook.
(Q) To what extent, if any, should Mr. [
257] enter the
picture?
(A) That would depend upon the characterization of the camp
itself, and his association with same.
(Q) Is there some better proposition in camps or otherwise
for Mr. [W...] and Mrs. [
459]?
(A) These, as we find, offer an excellent opportunity for
the development of that form of service each desire to
minister or give at THIS particular period or season, and
offers an outlet for each in their respective spheres of
giving that service as well or better than in ANY, as
pertaining to this CHARACTERIZATION of service in the
present.
(Q) To what extent will Mr. [W...] and Mrs. [
459] be
successful in this camp venture providing their whole energy
is put into it?
(A) As is given oft, only that may be taken out that is
put in. As has just been given, these offer an opportunity
for each to serve in their respective capacities, in this
particular field, and there may be expected not only a
financial SATISFACTION (though not a most wonderful success
in same at this particular period) but a most gratified
desire in self to serve may be filled to its fullest
capacity, will these [if these will] be set in their
respective spheres of endeavor, and in a manner commensurate
with that put in may the returns be from same. Well that
there be sufficient time for the bookings for the various
periods, of the various ventures and various activities of
the various ages, and the various characterizations - and
that there be sufficient time for the endeavors of each to
be put forward in a manner that will bring the best results.
(Q) Mr. [W...] has written a book. What are its prospects?
(A) This has nothing to do with the camps, though it refers
to a portion of such life. The outlook for this, as we
find, is not so good just at present. Later on, with some
other developments, may be well.
(Q) Would Mr. [W...]'s abilities and aptitudes find best
expression in Wall Street financial activities or at The
Yeshiva College?
(A) The college.
(Q) Do his abilities suggest anything else?
(A) As is indicated, they suggest much in that of welfare
or social service work, or in the camp life and camp
activities. These may be made in keeping with the activities
with the college, while they would not be in keeping were
they directed in other fields as pertaining to financial
activities.
(Q) Any advice for these parties?
(A) There has been given advice in the beginning. Know
what is being used, and from what source, and how it's
approached - or expect it to turn upon them in the way it's
sought.
We are through for the present.
Copy to Mrs. [459]
Copy to Mr. [W...]
Three copies to Ass'n office
BACKGROUND
See
459-2 on
9/06/30, and subsequent Reports.
1/14/31 She submitted questions.
REPORTS
1/26/31 See brother's rdg.
257-64, Par. 39-A advising that
[
257] should assist [
459] in establishing a summer camp this
year only if she promises and holds to the promise to abide
by [
257]'s counsel and not her own counsel.
2/09/31 Mother [
325]'s ltr.: "[
459] is not going with Mr.
[L...] in camp as his proposition was not favorable. The
rdg. didn't make clear what to do."
5/08/31 See
459-4 in re her work with a camp in Vermont.
6/04/31 See
378-3, Par. 2-A, 3-A and Par. 6-A--12-A in re Mrs.
[
459] and camp plans.
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