This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at the David E. Kahn home, 44 West 77th St., Apt. 14-W, New York City, this 21st day of March, 1935, in accordance with request made by the lawyer in the case - Mr. Alfred O. Englander (husband of Hazel Kahn Englander, sister of DEK), Associate Member of the Ass'n for Research & Enlightenment, Inc.

Present: Edgar Cayce; Hugh Lynn Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. Alfred and Oscar Englander, and David E. Kahn. 423 E. St. Ann's

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1. HLC: You will have before you Teresa Grim, of 423 St. Ann's Ave., in the Bronx, New York City, who seeks information regarding her husband who was reported to have been born in Vienna, Austria, on March 3, 1876, and who died in Indianapolis, Indiana, on August 25, 1915, and who was buried in St. Joseph's Cemetery in Indianapolis. You will make proper attunement with the best and highest sources for obtaining information on Alexander Grim's family records and early activities. When attunement is made you will say, "Ready for questions," and will answer those then presented to you.
2. EC: Yes, we have the entity Alexander Grim, and those relationships with the material and universal forces.
3. In giving the relationships, we find here that this entity - as many - had the name transposed or changed from those relationships borne to the forefathers.
4. Ready for questions.
5. (Q) What was the full name of this entity's father?
   (A) Peter Lebowitz (?) Graham (?).
6. (Q) What was the maiden name of his mother?
   (A) Gracie - or Gracia - Lebeotze.
7. (Q) Were his parents married, legally?
   (A) The record of this as was necessary in the associations is in the church just outside of Lepzich (?) - Lepzuch (?).
8. (Q) Is that in Austria?
   (A) In Austria.
9. (Q) What was the full name given the boy at birth?
   (A) Alexandria Leptic (?) Grahaam.
10. (Q) Who performed the marriage of his parents?
    (A) Read the records here! It was at this church here. Lepzich (?)!
11. (Q) What denomination was this church?
    (A) As all that's here in this place!
12. (Q) Is this record still in existence?
    (A) We are reading from same here! It's in the altar here, under the pulpit - or on the box that stands for same here.
13. (Q) If his parents were married, was a divorce afterward obtained -
    (A) (Interrupting) On October 9, 1873, do we find here to be the date of this marriage ceremony.
14. (Q) Did the mother give her right name?
    (A) The mother did not give the right name, for it belongs more to the Crown, see?
15. (Q) What was the right name of the mother?
    (A) Of those that belong to the royalty. The name is there.
16. (Q) Will you give the maiden name?
    (A) Gracia - You see, these are such characters we're trying to read; these are not English, you see. Hap - Hap - Hapshe - Hapsheburg; this is what we get here.
17. (Q) Is there any existent record of the birth of Alexander Grahaam?
    (A) March 3, '76. Deaths are recorded most in these churches. This record, as we find, is in a small COUNTRY place just east here of Vienna, see? This record - well, it's been partially covered over, but it is still there - Yes, it may be had here - just east - this is in a portion of Vienna. It's a little church here, which may be known most now by a grave or a vault built before the place, you see, as the entrance on the right side entering. This is still a place of meeting, yet it has been changed much since March the 6th when it was recorded here - three days after the birth - Alexandria Leptig (?) Hapsheburg Grahaam; the way it was first commenced here - Gra - Griham, yet it is Alexander Grim who is buried here in Indianapolis. This is a record, yes.
18. (Q) Can you tell us where Alexandria was baptized?
    (A) That's when the record is made here - the 6th.
19. (Q) Is there any present name of the church?
    (A) This has been changed here, but this will be found. There's a meeting place here, you see.
20. (Q) Is there any general name of the section in which the church is located now?
    (A) It is the east portion here of Vienna.
21. (Q) Will you give us the name of the street -
    (A) It's the name of the country rather than the street - road that leads out - a crossroad almost in front of same.
22. (Q) Is there a county, or province, or general designation?
    (A) It's still in Vienna, you see, but it's the edge - and the country edge - east portion. There's no other one close or near, see? At Lupzig (?), or it isn't called streets here, you see; Lipzig (?) Street, where the Strausburg (?) highway crosses from.
23. (Q) About three years after Alexander Grim's death, Teresa Grim was visited by two women who were presumably from New York City and it is desired to know whether one or both of those women were related to Teresa Grim's husband or to Alexander Grim's mother, and if related, in what manner.
    (A) To Alexander Grim's mother. One was a cousin. Quint - Quintilus - These names! Commences with a Q.
24. (Q) Is there a Von preceding the name?
    (A) There are plenty of Von's, but we are getting the name. Von preceded most of these when they were in this relation. Gun - Ger - Von Guenhen - hem. No, we don't get this one. There's one that's a cousin. The other is only - Well, we don't get much relation with the other. Or associations. This we may find. Visited in Indianapolis. What names! No, we don't get it here. It's Guenham - something - here.
25. (Q) Later, about the year 1922, when Teresa Grim arrived in New York she was called upon at the Pennsylvania Station by a woman and it is desired to know whether this woman was related to her husband or to her husband's mother.
    (A) This was a different one and not a relation, but one that had been told something about the whole of the associations and connections.
26. (A) What was this woman's purpose?
    (A) To establish the direct association or connection, or to find as to whether this WAS a wife of the one that had been referred to by others to this person.
27. (Q) Can you give her name?
    (A) Leowitz - Leobwitz -
28. (Q) What was her first name?
    (A) Anna.
29. (Q) On the next day, July 1, 1922, at the Leo House in N.Y. City, this woman being present requested Teresa Grim to sign a paper and she would like to know the purport or content of that paper which she signed.
    (A) This was declaring in this purport that she was the wife of Grim that had been known in this portion of the country, or one AS the son of Gracia Hapsheburg.
30. (Q) She would also like to know whether she will ever be able to get a copy of that paper.
    (A) All of these are a matter of record in Vienna here.
31. (Q) Did Alexander Grim come to America in 1889, and if so in whose custody or care?
    (A) In 1890, the care - as we find, recorded - the records here as we find in the Customs in the entrance ports here - Grahm - Grahm, in the entrance records in 1890.
32. (Q) Did you get the names of those accompanying him?
    (A) These were called Grahm's too! Grahm's.
33. (Q) Can you give us the name of the ship on which these came over?
    (A) Hamburg - Hamburg.
34. (Q) What port did the ship dock in?
    (A) New York.
35. (Q) From what port?
    (A) Brussels.
36. (Q) Did the individuals who brought him to America care for him during the succeeding several years?
    (A) Only for a short while. See, this is in January, '90 - New York - and only until there were those in groups that went - Only for a short while, as we find.
37. (Q) How long after the birth of Alexander was the death of his mother?
    (A) Death of his mother Gracia Hapsheburg - eastern Vienna - Strausburg and Lepzig (?) highway here - and changed to Bronte(?) Brussels - the death occurred on the road or on the way, when they came out of Austria and across the frontier here.
38. (Q) Did you find any record of his mother's death?
    (A) This is where it's bad! Not records that are made that are kept, see, as Peter Lebowitz Grahm and companion - then he was taken with others. See, he didn't come all the way with his own peoples or families, see, and this is the record in - it's just over the frontier here in Belgium where the death was, when he was only 6 - 7, between 6 and 7.
39. (Q) What is the place in Belgium?
    (A) Beno - Beuno - Beu - Bruno, Belgium - frontier.
40. (Q) After coming to America, can you tell us where Alexander lived?
    (A) Such a skip! His mother's death - 6 - in '90 - New York - then in Pennsylvania here; then into portions of Michigan. Yes, there's some two or three places. He changed about here, we find - 1890 - 91 - 92 - in western portion of Pennsylvania - Alleghany; then in Michigan, and then in Indiana.
41. (Q) What was the name of the town in Pennsylvania?
    (A) Alleghany.
42. (Q) Is there any recorded record -
    (A) (Interrupting) Well, as we find, only on payroll we are following it up. There's a payroll here - Alexander Grimm - Alleghany, Pennsylvania.
43. (Q) What was the name of the place in Michigan?
    (A) Southern Michigan, in - Lansing (?) - Alexander Grimm, then associated with a WOOD working plant here, where he had another payroll.
44. (Q) Can you give us the name of the company?
    (A) It's a mill company - paper mill company - Lansing paper mill company - Lansing - Alexander Grimm. This is in '98 here, yes - 19 (?) when he comes south later here, Annapolis (?).
45. (Q) Can we now go back to the time when Mrs. Grim signed the paper in Leo House -
    (A) That's coming forward, not back! Yes.
46. (Q) Can you give us the name of the nun who saw Mrs. Grim sign this paper?
    (A) Theresa Celestia (?) -
47. (Q) Can you tell us where she is?
    (A) She's with Grim now!
48. (Q) Did anyone else see her sign this paper? that is now alive?
    (A) Yes, there's another. She's alive. Well, they are both alive, but not alive alike! Theresa Celestia (?), this is her name. We don't get her name. She's still here at this same place, though, where she remained for a day afterwards, see?
49. We would rest for the present.
50. HLC: That is all.
51. We are through for the present.

    Copy to Alfred O. Englander
    Copy to Ass'n file

BACKGROUND

1. Subject of 863-1 - "Genealogy".

REPORTS

1. 2/04/39 See 1811-2, Par. 29-A in which lawyers Englander & Englander were recommended.
2. 5/16/35 O. Englander's letter to EC:
   Englander & Englander Counsellors at Law 295 Madison Avenue New York City AShland 4-4828
   Oscar Englander Counsel
   Mr. Edgar Cayce Virginia Beach Virginia
   Dear Mr. Cayce:-
   My son Alfred has handed to me your letter of May 7th last.
   I am duly appreciative of the sentiments expressed by you, and eager to advise you of similar reaction and would gladly grasp the opportunity of discussion when time and place will permit.
   Answering directly your inquiry as to the reading, I must confess that it has not sufficed for our selfish purposes. The travels in this country of the subject have been practically portrayed, but we have no knowledge as yet on the European aspect, and frankly believe the information too indefinite for verification.
   However, regardless of the fact that the reading may not supply us with the needed information, and treating the subject from the academic standpoint, I am not lessened in my absolute faith in the ultimate thought that a power beyond human ken sways and controls the race and our world and the worlds beyond, and that through the ages from time to time there is unfolded or given to man powers not theretofore possessed and which will go on indefinitely, and yet leave the human race short of consummate divine knowledge, but yet with sufficient sustenance of hope to keep us from despair.
   Naturally the application will be granted to some earlier than to the full multitude, and my observation and reasoning leads me to believe that you are one of the advance agencies through which the Superior Being shows his work of wonder.
   With high personal regards,
   I am Sincerely yours, Oscar Englander
   OE:A
3. 2/04/39 See 1811-2, Par. 30-A re Englander.

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