(Q) "A debate between my physical and subconscious as
follows: SUBCONSCIOUS: 'All is set to sell just when the
market turns.' PHYSICAL: 'Yes, but that is just it - it
doesn't turn' - (must have been thinking of our previous
short position in L & N - present short position in Corn
Products). SUBCONSCIOUS: 'All will sell at the turn - all
are just waiting to sell at that point.' PHYSICAL: (seeming
exasperated that long stocks go down - short go up - just
contrary to information gotten from this source) 'But it
doesn't happen in fact' - (thinking of Corn Products) - 'It
was to go down - it is going up." SUBCONSCIOUS: 'The Intent
is there to sell - all set to jump at the turn of the market
- 38 - or about there.'" (The following not read)
1. Now this seems to explain that as given by psychic force -
[two] 2 effects may be seen in 2 causes at the same change -
or what we call time. Suppose for example many had bought
Southern R.R. with intent to cause the Spirit of this stock
to be in phenomenized concept 121 1/2 or 122. Now, however,
they change their intent to one of just ready to sell when
the Spirit of the Whole market (prices) change to that
concept which we call lower prices, then the change of
Southern Ry. from 122 to a probable lower price? This
correct?
2. Now let us take the next phase and we probably will shed
another light on why it was necessary to suffer loss to
learn. Take the case as just passed and given - L & N.
Nothing like actual cases to learn by. As given, the Intent
of those in control of the Spirit or Price number of L & N
Stock set their intent, (their Will - phenomenized Spirit as
pertains to concept of stock value) to let the stock slide
quietly back to 119 or 117, even lower and there accumulate
more. Thus we have the lower concept of the Spirit of L & N
Stock or lower value of the stock. Now during this time or
in these phenomenized changes, other phenomenized forces of
mind were planning to buy the stock - no more intent to put
it up than have we when we buy stock or sell for the given
higher or lower price, as the case may be. This, then, is
different from the Intent all finished and set of those in
control - intending higher prices in the long run - lower for
the present, because, as given, this intent is to purchase
stock - acquire possession, a condition in the making of
man's realm, and therefore may not be revealed through
psychic forces, for it would be giving [
900] & [
137] the
advantage over those buyers, or to put it differently,
whether because of physical reasoning or from the set intent
seen of others by the physical in cosmic consciousness, the
concept and resultant action on the part of a phenomenized
"Being" must bring its own phenomenized effects and we cannot
have the advantage of the concept others are forming (plans
to buy or sell a stock) until after the concept is carried
out in fact - THEN may their intent, the forces they have set
in motion in the cosmic consciousness be seen by one
developed to point of seeing same. Is the light beginning
to filter through? Is this correct?
3. Let us try and put it differently again, for the whole
revelation of stock prices hang about this. Here is a moving
picture machine and the management has decided to show
picture "A" to-night. In another city I see in the cosmic
consciousness this intent to show picture A at this theatre -
I get on a conveyance to go to that place to see that picture
A. In another city others get on a conveyance to go the same
theatre, anticipating seeing picture "B." They desire to see
picture "B" and intend seeing it at the theatre that is to
show picture A. Upon reaching the theatre they find picture
A condition and plan to persuade the management to switch or
change the show to picture B. These plans in the making are
not to be found or had by one seeking in the cosmic
consciousness - they are changes in the realm of man's
making - the forces set in motion are those set by those in
control to show picture A. Now the second group may
persuade the management to show picture B instead of A -
then the change and may be seen by one capable of entering
cosmic consciousness. The changed condition then becomes
an actual intent - not plans in the making - may be seen.
Is this illustration one of the truth? It makes it hard on
the first party who has spent time and money to see picture
A - but that is no fault of the moving picture machine that
is the fixed machine, subject to the use of those having the
power to use same, make of the machine. The moral then is
that unless one has power to use the machine as desired, not
to stake too much on the use others may make of it?
Correct?
4. Conclusion then is that much in financial gain may be
secured by one able to enter the spiritual consciousness, but
he must remember, that while the contemplated intent may be
seen as related to stock price for example, that all plans
and conditions as related to the price movement of that stock
may not be brought to the physical consciousness and caution
and moderation and physical judgement are necessary even if
spiritual sees stock going to a certain price? Correct?
5. Just how is this moral line of differentiation of that
which the physical may - may not acquire from other
consciousnesses drawn? Not WHY is it so drawn, that already
given, but how in the other consciousness is it restructed
from A information and given C & D information? What action
bars it from the forming plans in peoples mind and opens up
the information of that as set as intent in the same as other
minds?
6. Now as related to the Stock Market, does this voice
indicate a downward movement is at hand in stock prices?
When will this break start?
7. When, then, should Southern R. R. stock now held be sold?
Next week?
8. Does the price 38 - indicate Corn Products will or may
rise to 38 but not higher - then decline to 32 or 33? as
given, or does it indicate a changed condition in this stock
and that [
900] and [
137] should buy it in?
9. Co-relate Pacific Gas & Electric with that given. When
should that be sold? It is now down again.
(A) This, as we see, the lessons, or the reasoning with the
physical body-mind and with the subconscious forces, and is
as the lessons as have been gained by the entity from same,
see? and as the questions have been put here as concerning
that correct and incorrect, we find the body-mind, the
physical consciousness of the entity has reasoned correctly
with each of these, and as is given in the questions as are
asked in the end, pertaining to what should be the action of
the entity as regarding these, we find as pertaining to the
Corn Products, the sale or the down turn beginning at the 38,
the rise in the Southern being to that of the 121 - 122, see?
Then the sale, see? the gradual falling off then of L & N
and again to the point, see, as given.
Then, we find entity only needs to follow those reasonings as
have been gained by this contact with the subconscious self
to gain that knowledge necessary for the insight into those
conditions, for as we see, as the spiritual intent and
purpose is set in each individual case, see? when it
becomes, then, as a Universal force, away from man's making,
see? That is, in action and may be made by one man or
another, then that as is set may be gained by a subconscious
or a cosmic force, remembering that what makes cosmic forces
and that which makes, or those elements entering into
conscious, subconscious and cosmic forces and the Spirit
Forces as the guiding factor, as has been shown and given the
entity. Do that. Then we will find these will gradually
come to the entity in that way and manner in which the
Universal Forces, as are presented from time to time, gives
the intent, the purpose, as set in each, whether pertaining
to social relations, physical relations, stocks, bonds, or to
physical health condition, see?
We are through for the present.
REPORTS
9/10/25 A.M. He obtained dream rdg. interpretation
137-29 for
his brother, and in P.M. Ck. Physical for his sister-in-law,
Mrs. [
140].



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