GC: You will have before you the material mind and body of
[
1497] whose place of business is at Room ..., New York City,
and who is now at the Union League Club on E. 37th St. and
Park Ave., New York, his activities, associations and
associates, and who desires help, information and advice for
his guidance from these sources. The following describes
conditions on which questions to be asked are based:
Representations were made, early in February, to Robert F.
Black, President, and his associates, of the White Motor
Company in Cleveland, Ohio for a sample installation, on one
of their new, large, passenger buses, of the automobile and
bus, air-conditioning device which has been developed by the
entity as has been previously submitted to these Forces for
advice. Much detail design has been accomplished specific to
this proposed trial installation, all as disclosed in
drawings, now finished and in preparation in the entity's
place of business.
Technical tests and calculations made since last July
indicate the accurate fulfillment of the predictions given by
these Forces. Informed opinion by competent engineers has
endorsed the feasibility of the plans and specifications.
You will answer the questions:
EC: Yes, we have the body, the enquiring mind, [
1497];
together with the associations and activities with
individuals and groups as respecting the contemplated
installation of a test air conditioning at the White Motor
Company, or White Bus Company.
Ready for questions.
(Q) Do the drawings and plans, as now developed, constitute
the means for a successful DEMONSTRATION of this new
development?
(A) As we find, there will only be minor changes in the
actual installation of the proposed air-conditioning.
(Q) In what respects must changes be made?
(A) As to meet the needs only of the PLACES or POSITIONS or
conditions of the installation.
(Q) Is the structure of sufficient or proper size and
proportions to normally produce four (4) tons of
refrigeration for air-cooling in the passenger bus?
(A) As we find, it is sufficient.
(Q) Are the combinations of copper, stainless-steel,
activated carbon granules and methylene chloride (refrigerant
gas) such as to maintain chemical stability with high exhaust
gas temperatures, that is, - from 600 to 1100 degrees
Fahrenheit?
(A) These as we find are efficient, and should work well
with THIS combination.
(Q) Is the time cycle of 30 seconds for heating and 60
seconds for water cooling adequate, under normal, bus
operating conditions, to produce the required results?
(A) These, as we find, under normal conditions are
sufficient and efficient.
There will be some variations, to be sure, that must be
accounted for, where there are long distance trips and
stoppage after same in stations for any length of period.
But these as we find may be arranged so that it drops back to
the various activities as may be accounted for in the
installation.
(Q) Will the apparatus be reliable in service and last the
normal life of the bus itself without excessive attention or
replacement?
(A) These as we find, of course, will work as such cooling
or such systems work. Under the strain of the bus activity,
these will require toning or tuning at or under various
circumstances; but not an EXCESSIVE manner.
(Q) Is there available a refrigerant gas SUPERIOR to
Methylene Chloride ("Carrene") as to weight, volume and
chemical stability for this specific principle of operation,
- and as to safety to passengers?
(A) This as we find, so far as has been developed, is that
most or best in keeping with all of the conditions and
requirements needed for such conditions.
(Q) Will the claims now embodied in the entity's patent
application now on file in the United States Patent Office be
allowed so as to prevent substantial duplication of this
invention by others without infringement of the entity's
claims?
(A) As we find, these with the changes - but there are the
needs that there be a coalition of the entity in the actual
work with those who own patents on this especial character of
process.
In the rest of these, - and if they are combined, - correct.
(Q) Will there be patent interferences cited which will
cause lengthy and expensive litigation with other applicants
for the same claims?
(A) Not if these are carried under the assistance or aids as
have been indicated.
(Q) Will the White Motor Company permit this apparatus to be
installed for trial on one of their new buses for a road test
in June, 1939?
(A) As the conditions stand now, they will.
(Q) If so, will the trial and tests be satisfactory without
rearrangement or redesign of those parts of the apparatus
directly embodied in this new invention?
(A) They should be.
(Q) The White Motor Company states that, if this trial is
satisfactory, it will want exclusive right to use this
apparatus for passenger buses for a period of time. Is it to
my advantage to tie up with them, on the above basis, for
more than one year?
(A) For at least three to five years would be the better,
and we WOULD tie up with them - if this proves to be
satisfactory, in the experiments and test runs.
(Q) Can this development be successfully marketed in 1939?
(A) If tested and this is tied up, it is already marketed.
(Q) Will I find the means for manufacture and sale through
which this may be done?
(A) As we find with those associations and connections
already established this may be done.
(Q) Representations were made by me on February 8th to the
Carrier Corporation in Syracuse, New York, and personally to
Willis H. Carrier, Chief Engineer, and to J. I. Lyle,
President, for their cooperation in connection with the
proposed, trial installation. Carrier, and expert in Air-
conditioning, stated the plan was feasible and Lyle suggested
they might acquire the invention on a royalty basis. This
company owns the patents on Methylene Chloride, or "Carrene,"
which is the refrigerant gas found to be the best for the
invention so far available. This company is fully able to
furnish their product to the users of the new air-conditioner
and participate to that extent to their profit. They are
experts in systems where their product is used. On February
17th, I talked with Lyle in his office on the 4th floor of
the Chrysler Bldg., N.Y., but his terms for acquiring the
invention from me seemed unfair, since he will not agree to
any compensation for my services, nor risk anything
financially on the first model and trial of same. Is it to
my advantage, as well as for the ultimate success in
marketing and manufacturing this development to tie up with
the Carrier Corp.?
(A) As we find, it is practically necessary to be tied with
them, in that there are the needs for the completing of
patents as well as for the use of their product WITH the
patent in making the tests necessary on such carriers or
buses.
And as we find, if there is given to understand, and not in a
demand but as a correlating or working one with the other,
these may be worked out satisfactorily with this company.
While there may not be advance of moneys for the
installation, there WILL be - or can be - the compensation
for the activities of the entity during the periods of the
installation.
(Q) Is their cooperation necessary to best results and to
the benefit of all concerned?
(A) As just indicated, necessary for the best results of
ALL.
(Q) Should I insist on a fair retainer and their assuming
the expense of the model?
(A) As just indicated, there should be the insistency, - and
this may be worked out to a satisfactory way and manner.
(Q) Should I, rather, arrange independently to build the
new, trial model myself and, when the demonstration is made,
resume negotiations with the Carrier people?
(A) As we find, this will NOT be as satisfactory; though
rather than to fail in being able to make the installations
and tests, this may be done of course in this manner. But as
we find, negotiations are still open for satisfactory
arrangements with this organization, - even before the first
installation is done.
(Q) Is the Buensod-Stacey Air-Conditioning Corporation whose
offices are on the 4th floor of the Lincoln Building, 60 East
42nd St., N.Y., in a position to be of practical assistance
to me in designing associated equipment for completing the
bus installation?
(A) In some portions of same they are equipped, in others
there may be more gained from the Carrier Company than with
this, see?
(Q) Is this company better able to contribute to the
successful marketing of the invention than Carrier, and
should I preferably tie up with them?
(A) As we find, they are NOT as well equipped as Carrier.
(Q) Should I separate activities and plans for large-sized
bus and truck applications from activities and plans for
small-sized, high quantity production as applied to taxicabs
and private automobiles?
(A) These must all as we find, and better activities may be
had if they are worked together.
(Q) Will Alfred G. Kay, my associate, whose residence is
Chester, N.J., and Palm Beach, Fla., and now present in
N.Y. in his office, on the 4th floor, 114 East 32nd St., in
Lustron Lights, Inc., be a dependable factor in helping with
this program?
(A) He is very good.
(Q) Is it still more preferable, for the success of this
program, that I make independent arrangements for the
manufacture and sale of the proposed equipment, after the
trial is complete?
(A) This, unless there can be satisfactory arrangements made
with the Carrier Company as has been indicated, is preferable
to letting it GO BY, see?
But as we have given and indicated, there may be a more
satisfactory coalition with the Carrier Company.
(Q) Does the Ward Leonard Electric Co. of Mount Vernon,
N.Y., to whose President, Leonard Kebler of Ridge Road,
Bronxville, I have talked about this invention, offer the
opportunity needed to manufacture and market this invention?
(A) As we find, rather in the manner as has been indicated,
with these others - are the better ones to work with, see?
(Q) With respect to the larger uses of the device, for
taxicabs and passenger automobiles in the smaller sizes, is
it to the success of this development and to my advantage to
enlist the cooperation of John A. Callahan, of Lake Shore
Drive, Lake View near Buffalo, Erie Co., N.Y.?
(A) This so far as finances are concerned would be very
well; so far as the works are concerned, not necessary.
(Q) Should I vigorously pursue at this time the proposed
contact with Fred M. Zeder, Vice-Chairman of the Chrysler
Corp. in Detroit, through Callahan, for the adoption of the
invention for private passenger cars?
(A) As we find, this might be held in abeyance until there
is the perfecting of the use of same in the bus and then in
the taxicab, before it is completed for passenger cars.
For this will necessarily only come to the higher-priced
cars, and as we find while it is very well to consider same,
this should be held as we find rather in abeyance at the
present time.
But so establish an association or connection that they will
be seeking the advantages to be had.
(Q) Will there be a conflict between arrangements made with
White Motor Company on large passenger bus applications which
would prevent closing with Chrysler on private passenger car
applications?
(A) Just as we have indicated, it would first be tested
in the one before there is the consideration in others;
yet holding same open; and there will NOT - when these are
perfected - be any conflicting influences in other
associations or connections.
(Q) Since this project requires concentrated attention to
bring to a conclusion, should I seek other avenues of more
prompt financial returns at this time?
(A) As we find through these very channels as have been
mentioned there may be had the financial returns.
(Q) When these sources predicted, in the reading of October
28th, the sale of this invention within 30, 40 or 60 days,
was the present situation then foreseen, or is the proper
opportunity yet to come?
(A) The opportunity is at hand; use it!
(Q) In view of the indications in the reading of October
28th that I could obtain engagement for my services through
the offices of Benjamin A. Javits, Attorney of 165 Broadway,
New York, is this still to be expected?
(A) This is still to be expected until or unless this is
decided or determined through the very activities which are
being begun now in the present associations and relations.
(Q) Have these prospects been affected or will they be
affected by my withdrawal from the proxy fight organized by
Javits to obtain control of the Crocker Wheeler Electric
company?
(A) These as we find may be withdrawn after there has been
the greater or closer association established with those
necessary activities for the completing of the work in hand.
(Q) Having made application and taken the examination on
January 25th, will I obtain my license to practice
professional engineering in the State of New York?
(A) As we find, this will be granted.
(Q) Any other advice at this time?
(A) Hold fast to those associations with the Carrier
Company, see; these are necessary adjuncts for the completing
of the whole situation. To be sure, some of these will drive
a hard bargain, but hold to those developments; and using the
finances as may be obtained through those associations on the
32nd Street address here, - those, see, as has been
indicated.
Do these - Don't give up or become discouraged; for you are
on the road to REAL success.
We are through for the present.
Copy to Self - Special Delivery
Copy to Assn'n file
[Question submitted but not asked: Is the automatic Radiant
Electric Heater which oscillates back and forth like and
electric fan, as drawn up in my office, acceptable for sale
to a manufacturer?]
BACKGROUND
See
1497-10, Par. 7-A, etc.
REPORTS
2/27/39 He obtained another reading on the static eliminator
- See
1497-12.
3/03/39 He continued the questions on the automotive air
conditioner - See
1497-13.
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