Edgar Cayce Readings, 2419-1

Time and Place: 3:25 to 4:10 P. M. Eastern Standard Time. ..., N.J.

TEXT

GC: You will give the relation of this entity and the universe, and the universal forces; giving the conditions which are as personalities, latent and exhibited in the present life; also the former appearances in the earth plane, giving time, place and the name, and that in each life which built or retarded the development for the entity; giving the abilities of the entity in the present, that to which it may attain, and how. You will answer the questions, as I ask them:
EC: (In going back over years from the present - " - '17 - changes - '16 - " etc., on back to birth date.)
Yes - peculiar record.
We have the records here of that entity now known as or called [2419].
In giving the interpretations of the records as we find them here, these are chosen with the desire and purpose that this be a helpful experience for the entity; enabling it to realize more purposefully the reasons or causes for the entrance into the earth's plane at this period, minimizing the faults and making greater activity towards the virtues to fulfil that purpose for which it entered.
Those activities interpreted as meaningful experiences for the entity in a causation world are chosen from the records here, that have a greater expression of urge in the latent faculties and manifested activities of the entity in the present.
The astrological sojourns, or experiences of the entity during the interims between the earthly sojourns, find expression in the dreams of the entity. And this here we would give as part of a warning. While the entity is a good mixer, and destined to become a real leader among or with men - if there is the application of self in those channels of purposeful activity, - we find that the inclination to be alone, and to dream of powers as might be, through the influence of forces unseen and manifested, tends to bring moroseness.
Hence the warning: Make a practical all such dreams in the material experiences with others. And know that if they do not produce creative influences and better associations in thy home, in thy relationships with thy fellow men, something is wrong with same!
Astrologically we find Mercury, Venus as the general influences latent and manifested, both as constructive influences and easily made detrimental; also Jupiter, Uranus, Saturn. All of these are a part of the experiences of the entity in its visions or dreams.
There are high mental abilities, as indicated from Mercury; the abilities as an organizer of projects, especially as to things, as to gases, chemical or electrical forces, or unseen powers; yet made manifest in the material world to a benefit or as a detrimental influence in the experiences of individuals as related one to another.
In Venus we find certain tendencies indicated. While the entity is very sincere, there are doubts latent within self as to the sincerity of others. This is a warning also; if there would be brought into the experience and the scope or activity of the entity the most hopeful, the most helpful for spiritual awakening, mental developments, material application to successful ends.
Remember, others may and can think as well as thou, and THEIR opinions to them are as necessary as thine own.
Find not fault, then, with others. Rather SO LIVE thine own life in such a simple, sincere manner, as to constrain others to know by thy deeds - not by thy words - that thou hast chosen well.
In Jupiter we find the influences or abilities dealing with masses; and those influences in which the activities would be associated with and for groups, or for large organizations, corporations, or the like, rather than individual activity.
Thus the dislike at times within the experience of requiring SELF to know the minor details, and yet there is the inclination indicated for the entity to require same at the hands of others.
In Uranus we find the extremes, as well as the interest in forces and powers that are of a very exceptional nature, either good or bad. Hence the extremes in same. There are the interests also in occult or spiritual or spiritualistic influences. These are well, as indicated, if applied in constructive and creative forces. They may be such as to become retroactive and destructive, if choices are taken so that the relationships with others are not chosen from the right angle or purpose.
From Saturn we find the influence of changes, - the sudden, definite degrees of activity, or of change - per force - as to the manner of approach to things.
These we find indicated as the latent and the manifested tendencies in the deeper forces or emotions of the entity.
As to the earthly sojourns, that find expression in the material or bodily emotions, - we find that these influences, as may be indicated from latent powers, oft find the entity confused. And these periods also become those in which other become confused also, in the very activity of relationships with others, as to the purposes or the REAL aims of the entity.
Know that there are unchangeable laws which find their inception or conception in the spirit of things, of times, of conditions, of individuals who also act with and towards such; and these find a material expression in, namely: As ye sow, so shall ye reap; with what manner of measure ye mete unto others it shall be meted unto thee; if ye would create confidence in thyself, FIND AND HAVE confidence in others; see in thy fellow man, though he may be thy enemy, that MOTIVATING force or power or spirit ye would worship in thy Maker!
As to the appearances in the earth, then, - we find these quite varied as to their activities:
Before this the entity was in the land near unto the native land, or of present birth, during those periods of the early settlings; when there were the early establishings of trading posts in what is now Toledo and its environs.
The entity was among those who today would be called trade agents, or those who aided in establishing various groups for definite activities in the exploitations of the conditions in various sections of the country towards trading posts, - not only for the products of the land but for the creating of centers through which products of other lands might be traded for same, as in the distribution of the various products of various vicinities and the like.
Hence the entity was not a trader or trapper himself, but rather one who made for the GROUPING of individuals FOR such; thus living upon or using rather the ABILITIES of self to UNIFY or disputate the activities of others.
Then in the name Lumpkin Khael, the entity gained and lost and gained. So long as the activities were for the common good of all, the entity gained. When they were turned into channels where self was to be lauded and others exploited that self might have material gain, the entity lost.
But there are the abilities to interest and to create interest in the activities of individuals who have had a vision, yet have not the abilities as it were to get in contact with channels through which exploration or exploitation of same might be made.
Thus the entity is STILL a good trade agent, in fields of any nature where the entity represents the activity of skill and labor as combined with the outlets fro the use of the general public.
Before that the entity was in the Roman and, during those periods when there were the greater expressions of that land as an empire.
The entity was a representative of the rulers, or individual rulers, in that particular phase of man's activity in the earth. When there were the various groupings of products and lands, - as metals, or soils that might be used for the production of certain classes of goods; as pottery, ornaments and the like, - we find the entity was active in that field of endeavor.
Thus portions of what is now Spain, France, England, were all a part of the entity's activities. We find that the entity gained throughout the greater portion of the activity. For, there was held that ideal that all must, or should, labor together for good, that all might be aided or helped in their indwelling as well as their application for a purpose or for an ideal; and that with the advancing of not only the state but the conditions surrounding the lives and the living activities of others that brought about such expansions, they should be in keeping with that purpose they fulfilled in their activity.
The name then was Lebrus.
Before that he entity was in the land now called Norway, or the Norse land, - in the early portion of that expansion of the peoples there.
The entity was a leader and a soldier in the expansions for the betterment of the peoples; and the entity made for activities in which there would be the greater conveniences as to the households, as well as the living conditions of households for the peoples.
And the entity rose to power throughout that experience, in not only the expeditionary forces unto other lands but in the building up of activities in its own land, - in the name then Thordeau.
Much might be given as to the influence on the abilities from that experience, that may be applied in the present experiences of the entity.
Study to keep that as may find expression in the present in the creative for spiritual attitudes, and not in the dictatorial powers.
Before that the entity was in the Egyptian land, during those periods when there were the reconstructions after the disputations which had brought turmoils; and when there was the choosing of individuals who were to fulfil certain stations or places in the distribution of the ideals pertaining to preparation for better living and better facilities.
The entity was among the Atlanteans born in that land, and grew in strength, in power, in ability to aid others. For, we find that the entity attempted to reconstruct for many of those peoples the various manners of conveniences through the use of the unseen powers or forces, - or the chemical, gas AND electrical energies.
Thus we find that the entity brought much help to others; for, throughout that experience, it kept under the direction of those in higher places.
The name then was Ex-Tel-Odom.
As to the abilities of the entity in the present, and that to which it may attain, and how:
We find that the abilities lie in the direction of an organizer or organizations, or as a go-between between the producer and the distributor of those things as may be produced from the facilities of those who have the creative ideas and ideals.
Then, as a leader or organizer the entity may find the greater outlet for the abilities; yet there are principles that need to be applied in the daily life in its relationships one to another. There are the laws that are unchangeable, and that are ever creative and constructive in their influence. For, otherwise there are turmoils that overtake those who disregard same, - that are unseen and not easily found by material reasoning. For, they are the results of thoughts. Know that thoughts are things, and as their currents run they may become crimes or miracles.
Are thy thoughts always prompted by the desire to be of help to others? or are they the more often prompted by the desire to use OTHERS as thy stepping-stones to better things for thyself?
This can only be answered in self, - according to what is thy ideal. Who is the author of thy ideal?
Ready for questions.
(Q) Please assist me on the following three points: First, - My association, obligation and growth in relation to my wife. Suggestions by which I can fulfil my pact. Suggestions by which I might awaken a deeper spiritual understanding with her.
(A) So live thine own life, thy own relationships to her - that is thy obligation, that IS thy duty - that the SPIRITUALITY as manifested creates that atmosphere for her; in forgiveness, in trust, in truth, in love, in hope, in charity.
Then, it is not ideal to say as to what others may do or be for thee; but what is the ideal manner for thee to live, to speak, to act, that ye may BRING the ideal relationship FOR and to others! THAT is the attitude; and do not look upon this as being indefinite, for it is that ye live and not that ye profess that counts; it is not what ye know, but what ye do ABOUT that ye know!
(Q) My association with William C. Conway of Redondo Beach, California. This is in relation to our work together on matters of spiritual growth.
(A) We do not have that entity. The associations should be paralleled rather from the purposes of that entity and thy own purposes.
(Q) My association with John C. Roberts of New Castle, Delaware. He seems to place confidence in my help but shall I continue in this direction? His Federal indictment seems like a put-up job and yet, what can be done? His discovery in the electrical energy field if it can actually be used will be of benefit to mankind in many ways. What ever help I can give to him should help many others.
(A) Then give that help. CULTIVATE rather thy ability to live and act in an unquestionable manner by any, and by self, as towards these findings, and towards the desire that such as HAS been the discovery be USED in the an unselfish way and manner to be the benefit of the many. CULTIVATE rather than flee from this association; but in no act, in no deed, let there be a word of censure from others. Or, so live thy own life in respect to this individual that ye can look the WORLD in the face and tell everyone to "stay put!" So act that there may be those influences for good. For, as indicated, each individual has his own life to live.
As to those things that have been questioned, - just let not such questions be after thy own activities.
CULTIVATE that association.
We are through for the present.
Copy to Self - Special Delivery
Copy to Ass'n file

BACKGROUND

12/04/40 He [2419] submitted questions.

REPORTS

12/28/40 He referred Mr. [2449] for a Life Reading.
2/18/57 He requested, and was subsequently sent, another copy of his Life Reading.
6/17/81 GD's letter to Mr. [2419] requesting a report on his rdg.
OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY of Edgar Cayce Foundation and ASSOCIATION FOR RESEARCH AND ENLIGHTENMENT, INC.
Atlantic Avenue at 67th Street P.O. Box 595 Virginia Beach, Virginia 23451
Cable: CAYCE Telephone: (804) 428-3588
Mr. [2419] ..., FL.
Dear Mr. [2419]
Through your phone call to A.R.E. Library on April 4th I was asked to furnish information on Joan Grant's lectures here in 1964 on reincarnation, etc., which the librarian could read to you when you called back.
Thus I received your current address and at this late date am writing to make contact and to ask if you have anything you wish to report for the Edgar Cayce Foundation Archives in regard to your Life Reading given on December 12, 1940, for which I was the stenographer.
A routine mailing to you in December 1942 came back marked MOVED. We did not hear from you again until Feb. 1957 when you asked for and were sent a copy of your Life Reading. SO, it was fortunate that the A.R.E. Librarian came to me with your request about Joan Grant. Your name rang a bell, and sure enough there was your name in the Key Book of those who had readings.
We'd like to record under your Case Number (2419-1), not using your name except in the vault archives, whatever you care to tell us about your reaction to your Life Reading at the time you received it and also after all these years of living with it in the background.
I don't find your name under our current A.R.E. mailing list of members so I am taking the liberty of having sent to you current data about our activities - how we are trying to research and make available helpful information from the Edgar Cayce records.
Thanks in advance for any information you may be willing to share with us in regard to your reading.
Sincerely, [signed] Gladys Davis Turner Gladys Davis Turner, Sec'ty to the late Edgar Cayce: Corporate Sec'ty of A.R.E. and E.C.F.
7/01/81 Mr. [2419]'s letter to GDT:
Mrs. Gladys Davis Turner Association for Research and Enlightenment, Inc. Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Mrs. Turner:
An apology is offered for delaying an answer to your nice letter of June 17th.
Much has taken place in the development of my inner forces since my original contact with you good people. A great deal of travel has permitted me to investigate many ideas designed to assist mankind to "find themselves".
The basic principle of Reincarnation fought by the church in all denominations will yet be accepted in lieu of dogma. Still, without Karma, it too will have to adjust itself.
For some time now I have found, what to me, is the most spiritual satisfying philosophy, that based in Anthroposophy, the teaching fostered by Dr. Rudolf Steiner of whom I feel certain you are aware.
I have frequently mentioned the work of Edgar Cayce to folks in addition to calling their attention to the fact that Reincarnation is the philosophy of millions. One must want to know about these matters so an idea is suggested for further investigation.
Much as I appreciate your willingness to send to me a copy of my Life Reading of 1940 it would only resolve itself into a matter of curiosity at present which must not be catered to.
Again thanking you and wishing you continued happiness and success in your work, I remain,
Sincerely, [2419]