11/09/51 HLC's letter:
Kenneth Roberts
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Roberts:
I have followed with great interest your correspondence with
my brother, Edgar Evans Cayce. I have gone over the "site"
with him several times and on one occasion spent a day with
him and the young men who are working with him assisting with
the excavation.
He asked me to write you with regard to a discussion which
we have carried on intermittently in connection with ideas
as to the source of the information and the various possible
involvements in its transmission. I refer to both the
information we received on this "site" through Edgar Cayce
and also that you and Mr. Gross have gotten with the rod.
Let me hasten to say that this is being presented simply as a
matter of discussion. As you will see it is an assortment of
ideas approaching the subject from several different points
of view.
In discussions with my brother and the young men who are
working with him, this basic question has been examined.
What are the possible sources for information on buried
treasure and what are the complications which might arise in
transmitting it? Psychic research in general, and this would
include the work done with telepathy, clairvoyance, dowsing
and spirit communication, seems to indicate that some
individuals on the earth plane are possessed of powers of
extended perception. Such perceptions operated through any
one or all of the five senses. I have tried to illustrate
this by saying that an individual sitting in a room with
the windows closed and blinds down might be compared to an
average human being. Obviously if one could raise the blinds
and open the windows this individual could see and hear more
clearly what was going on outside. Conceivably an individual
sitting in a the room who was possessed of particularly keen
eyesight or a particularly keen sense of hearing, let us
say, would be able to discern more than someone with inferior
sight and hearing. Our sensitive, therefore, is a person
whose blinds are raised and whose windows are open at times.
Clairvoyance we could then define as the ability to see
what was going on at a distance, as clairaudience would be
a similar ability of hearing. It seems quite likely that we
might extend this sense of perception to feeling, to include
dowsing ability. Psychometry falls more exactly under this
heading.
Now if we move in another direction for a moment and
postulate that some type of survival of personality is
possible we have assisting in the area outside of our
sensitive's room (his body), (a) thoughts and impressions
of action of individuals who have passed on, and (b) actual
personalities existing in some type of finer body. Now
if our sensitive begins to perceive the existence of such
impressions or personalities he becomes involved in what we
may call spirit communication and reports not only what he
sees and hears and feels at a distance in time and space, but
also what is transmitted to him by personalities interested
in the same subject he is pursuing.
Perhaps all of the above is just an involved way of saying
that either with Edgar Cayce or with Henry Gross we cannot
eliminate the possibility that they are working with a
clairvoyant power of their own inner makeup or with a
communication with personalities existing in another plane
of consciousness independent of them. I think it is quite
possible that we may have to consider both sources of
information at the same time.
I have told my brother that in my opinion you and Henry Gross
have gone way beyond the explanations given in your book on
his dowsing work. It is possible that you have formulated
some specific ideas as to the source of your information
and I think it only fair that at this point we give you an
explanation of the kind of information with which we think
we were working through Edgar Cayce.
Through the years we asked a great many questions about the
source of Edgar Cayce's information. He explained it while
in the trance state (he had no explanation while in his
conscious state) by saying that in previous life experiences
that the soul entity had developed the ability to lay aside
the physical consciousness and move in time and space. Thus
in the period of a reading he could, through the subject
given him, be in touch with the mind and body of an
individual a thousand miles away and give, as he did
thousands of times, accurate checkable descriptions of the
physical condition of both the mind and the body of the
individual. Frequently he described action in which this
individual was involved taking place at the time of the
reading. The Edgar Cayce records seemed to confirm the
theory of survival of personality in a body form different
from that we know in physical consciousness. He stressed the
function of psychic perception through any or all of the five
senses simultaneously. There were numerous references to
communication with entities who had passed on but in no
instance did he indicate a specific guide or control for any
reading. Rather he described it as a movement of his own
higher consciousness to contact the minds of entities on the
earth plane and other planes of consciousness. He repeated
what he saw, heard and felt. For example, we at no time had
a change of voice or personality. Frequently it was as if
he had interviewed an individual or simply had gone to a
particular individual or place and picked up impressions.
He worked in a state of unconsciousness, deep trance, or
whatever you wish to call it.
We have been particularly interested in the information
which you have gotten for us because, as I believe my brother
mentioned to you in the beginning, it tended to confirm
in several details the data which we secured through
Edgar Cayce during experimental readings many years ago.
I have pointed out to my brother that it is quite possible
that if information on the "site" coming from either Edgar
Cayce or Henry Gross is being picked up from the memory
patterns of the personalities now existing of individuals
involved in placing the cache that we are quite likely to
have conflicting bits of information. Even conscious memory
is notoriously bad an we are dealing with a physical area
which has changed and is continuing to change constantly
through the actual movement of large quantities of sand.
We must also consider the possibility that personalities on
another plane of consciousness either do not desire that the
cache be located or are simply having fun at our expense.
Equally important are the co-existing theories that such
entities are bound by their attachment to such caches and
that a use of the monies for good purposes releases the
individual. Hence, we might well be doing a great many
people a great service.
Without question, whatever be the source of our information,
the ideals and purposes of the individuals involved are
vitally important.
Frankly, we have been delighted and impressed with your
frankness, directness and detachment.
I know that my brother is sending you some maps of the "site"
and you can depend upon my full interest and cooperation. I
look forward to the opportunity of meeting you at some later
time.
Sincerely, Hugh Lynn Cayce HLC:mb
11/10/51 EEC's letter:
Mr. Henry Gross, Mr. Kenneth Roberts
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-
It looks as if we are going to get nowhere with further
photographs such as I have sent you. There are two other
possibilities as I see it that may give better results.
1. I plan to make an accurate large scale map of the
immediate area at White Hill. This map will show the top of
hill, shoreline, areas where we have made excavations, and
prominent landmarks as well as elevations of the various
points. Along with this map I will enclose samples of the
soil (on surface and as deep as we have dug) a piece of bark
or wood or leaf from the oldest trees in immediate area, a
piece of the Indian pottery, a sample of the bay water, and
anything else that I think of that you might touch the rod to
and try for a reaction on the map. This will take a while to
prepare, but I will send it to you as soon as possible.
2. The other possibility, and of course the one I would like
to see tried as I believe it to be the one most likely to be
successful, is for you both to come down to Virginia Beach
and go over the hill in person. I realize you are both busy
with many other matters and that you hesitate to take time
to go on what might be a wild goose chase. However, Virginia
Beach isn't a bad place for a short vacation, especially
in the summer time and it is only a few hours by plane from
Maine. Please do keep us in mind, and if time ever permits
do consider coming down for what could be a relaxing vacation
and would at least be a very interesting experiment.
I am enclosing a letter from my brother, Hugh Lynn Cayce, who
is much better versed in the study of psychic phenomena than
I. It may prove interesting to you and shed some light on
reasons for the information as given by your dowsing rod.
I don't believe conclusions can be reached on any matter
until every possibility and means of experiment has been
tried, and I hope you will bear with us until some sort of
conclusion is reached.
I appreciate your past cooperation and am open to any
suggestions you may offer. I would be interested in your
comments on Hugh Lynn's letter, any ideas on map and possible
samples for reactions. I hope you both will find it possible
to stop by.
11/12/51 Kenneth Roberts' letter:
Edgar G. Cayce, Esq.
Hugh Lynn Cayce, Esq.
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Edgar & Hugh Cayce
I appreciate the letters from the two Cayce's, and only
regret that these efforts haven't worked out in the way that
you hoped for - and that we, of course, were equally eager to
have them.
We know practically nothing about dowsing; and both Horace
Levinson and I believe that it's something that you can't
theorize about. Every dowser we've seen works in his own
way and is almost completely ignorant when it comes to
interpreting the behavior of his rod (or whatever he may
use to get his results). Because I've worked with Henry for
three years, I know that when his rod says there's flowing
underground water in a giving spot, the water is always
there. I also know that on other things his rod is no more
accurate than my guess would be. That is to say, his rod
would have no hesitation in telling him the sex of 1,000
day-old chickens; but when those thousand were instantly
submitted to a Japanese chicken sexer, who must be and is
right 100% of the time, I've found that Henry is only 50%
right - and 50% isn't good enough when you're dealing with
matters that require heavy investments on the part of the
trusting by-stander.
To check on a map the known location of buried treasure is
interesting; but when that checking leads a number of people
to give time and energy, we're on dangerous ground.
If I were as sure of the replies of Henry's rod to questions
concerning buried materials as I am as regards his reactions
to water, I'd have sent him to Virginia Beach at once,
rather than letting him work on a map or photographs. Since
you're so deeply interested, and in such a serious way,
I'll probably have to do this anyway - though I have no more
confidence in his ability to spot a deposit when he's over it
than I have in his ability to spot it at a distance of five
hundred miles. If it were water you were after, I wouldn't
do anything at all about it, because we've had several
requests from water-starved residents of Virginia Beach, and
in every case Henry's rod has said that none of them had good
drinking water on their properties.
So far as water is concerned, I strongly feel that Henry's
accurately utilizing a sense that most of us possess, and
that we've been too ignorant to develop.
I don't think much of Hugh Cayce's suggestion that hidden
personalities may be averse to discovering (let us say)
buried gold, or that they may be "having fun". If there
were any possibility of this being so, I think it would have
come out strongly in our work over the past year. All water
geologists are deathly afraid that we will prove our point.
I know that it HAS been proved beyond any question; but the
water geologist and a good many others won't admit that it's
proved. The second they do admit it, they'll be out of a
job, and all the work that water geologists have done in the
past few centuries will be labeled "accident". It's been
impossible to dodge water geologists on a lot of the jobs
we've done in the past year. If they could have stopped
Henry's rod, or diverted it, or made it react improperly,
they most certainly would have done so; but Henry's rod has
gone right ahead and pointed out the needed water in every
case.
There's another point. We'll work on any map that Edgar
Cayce may send us; but in literally thousands of cases on
which we've worked during the past year, Henry has always
shaken his head when he's asked to tackle maps more than
once. He feels that he gets his surest reaction on his first
try at a given map, and that the next step should be his
pin-pointing on the spot. I think he's justified in this,
though only yesterday we were working on some enlarged
airplane photographs of sections that he had done some months
ago on an ordinary map of Gaspe Peninsula. To my (and I
think Henry's) surprise, his work on the enlarged photographs
seemed to coincide exactly with the map work that had been
done some three months previous.
Let's see what happens when we get Edgar Cayce's map. If
you're then going to use your own time and those of the young
men you mention, there's no two ways about it: Henry will
have to go to Virginia Beach - and as I've said before, this
may be exactly as inconclusive as his work over the maps.
Flowing underground water is the only thing we are sure HIS
rod will indicate.
Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM
12/01/51 EEC's letter:
Henry Gross, Kenneth Roberts,
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-
On the 29th of November my brother and I went to White Hill
with a transit and tape and setting up on the highest point
of the hill we made the enclosed map. It shows the three
locations we have tried digging and the most prominent
landmarks. We drove wooden stakes at the highest point on
the hill and at two of the holes we dug (there was already a
steel ground rod in location #3).
We dug 8 to 10 feet in location 1 and 2 but our greatest
effort has been at location 3 where we have dug 12 to 14 feet
and probed down deeper with rods. At this location #3 we
covered an area about 8' x 10' square. The rod in the bottom
of this hole is an 8 foot steel rod. Elevation measurements
show the top of the rod to be about 9 1/2 feet above water
level which would put the bottom of the rod about 1 1/2 feet
from water level. Any distances, directions or depths from
this steel rod should be helpful or from the big pine or pig
nut hickory, which are estimated to be well over a hundred
years old. Enclosed with this map is:
1. Sample of sand from location #3 where steel rod is. -2.
Piece of bark from big pine south of location #3. -3. Piece
of bark and leaf from pig nut hickory. -4. Pieces of old
indian pottery found on hill. -5. Piece of wood from stump
on water's edge. -6. Sample of water from bay.
All these samples are marked in envelopes and the locations
they were taken from are shown on the map. Possibly touching
the dowsing rod to them will have some effect, maybe not.
It would be interesting to see if the information from each
agreed; for example if rod was touched to bark from pig nut
hickory and a direction was gotten from that if it agreed
with directions obtained by touching rod to pine bark or to
sand or pottery, etc.
If you get any reactions at all encouraging based on this
map we will try some further excavating. If we don't hit
anything then or if you don't get any favorable reactions to
this map, I hope some day you both will find it possible to
come to Virginia Beach and go over the hill in person.
Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce EEC:GD
12/04/51 Kenneth Roberts' letter:
Edgar E. Cayce, Esq.
320 Arctic Circle
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Mr. Cayce:
The action of Henry's rod over your drawing is certainly
interesting. Perhaps its reaction to the piece of stump can
be checked in the second place where it operated. Perhaps,
too, the pig nut bark can also be checked since there was a
secondary pig nut reaction.
The whole hill, according to his rod, seems to have pottery
remains.
It occurred to me that we ought to try the area for water,
and I marked the results in red - a dome with four veins.
How do all these markings coincide with what you know or
suspect?
Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc
12/10/51 EEC's letter:
Henry Gross, Kenneth Roberts
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:
Yesterday, Sunday, December 9th, we went out to White Hill
to check some points of the map you marked. You will be
interested to know that at least three things checked very
accurately:
1. At the spot where you noted a secondary pig nut hickory
tree reaction there is a small pig nut hickory tree growing;
this tree is exactly 52 feet from the other large on as
shown on the map.
2. At the spot where you got a secondary reaction to pine
stump chip there are a couple of old pine logs or stumps
with small pines growing out of them.
3. Small pieces of pottery were found where you indicated and
there is pottery all over the hill.
Three spots you indicated silver and gold near the pig nut
hickory and the steel ground rod are close to where you got
a reaction before from snapshots, and close to where we made
the last excavation. We have removed some sand from these
locations in excavating near the ground rod but I estimate
that it is still 15 to 20 feet to water level at these spots.
Since it is impractical to use the pump in cold weather we
won't be able to do any excavating with it until spring. We
do plan to try using a mule with a scoop to remove some sand
and then dig with shovels when we get near water level. We
will try this sometime in January or as soon after first of
year as we can make arrangements for mule and scoop and also
have good weather on a week end.
The other location you marked as second largest isn't near
where you got reaction before on snapshots; though it may
be as accurate. I don't understand the isolated marks you
showed as "gold 1 piece" unless possibly they were coins
someone dropped. We looked there and also where you marked
"silver coin smaller than others" but nothing on surface or
even few inches under.
We plan to drive a wellpoint to hit the "water dome" or one
of the veins you marked. From your experience which would
you recommend? Did you get a depth for the dome? This
would help us in securing needed pipe lengths.
I will let you know how we make out with excavations near
ground rod and pig nut hickory. I hope the reactions you got
there prove as accurate as the pig nut hickory and pine stump
reactions which are remarkably accurate.
Thank you for your patience and interest.
Sincerely,
12/11/51 Kenneth Roberts' letter to EEC:
Edgar E. Cayce, Esq.
320 Arctic Circle
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Mr. Cayce:
It's hard to advise a person about veins and domes. A dome
may be pretty extensive, so that when you set out to dig
into it, you may have to go a great deal deeper than our
measurements indicate before you can get even a part of the
flow that may be in it. Then again, in digging to a vein, we
always warn everybody that there is a given amount of water
in it PROVIDED THE DIGGER CAN CAPTURE ALL OF IT.
We think that the vein marked "A" is the one to dig, and at
the point marked "X", where the top of the vein seems to be
8 feet down and the bottom 12 feet. The salt water level
at that point seems to be 15 feet. We had a recent case at
Cotuit (Mass.) where Henry's rod indicated a clear stream
12 feet to the top and 14 feet to the bottom. They drove
a point and got water almost immediately, but it was smelly
bog water, which was discouraging to the owner, Mrs. Morse.
Henry told them to keep right on driving, and at 12 feet they
went into excellent drinking water, clear as could be.
You can drive a point at that spot we've marked, but if you
run into seepage water before you've gone 8 feet, keep right
on going, but not beyond 12 feet.
Isn't there some mistake in the marking of the copy you sent
us? We think the largest deposit is at #1, and the second
largest at #2. Henry tried the rod on diamond, ruby, pearl,
tourmaline and sapphire, but got nothing except pearl and
ruby, all of this being at the #1 location.
We've marked the depths as well as we can. The #1 site
shows the salt water level at 12 feet and the objects
you're hunting at 15 feet.
That "A" vein is apparently 36 feet wide at the spot "X", and
seems to flow 21 gallons a minute - good drinking water.
Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc
5/15/52 EEC's letter:
Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:-
Just a note to let you know we have not abandoned our
project. The weather for the past three months has
been too cold and rainy to do any work.
As I wrote you, the most practical way we have found to
excavate any size area at the location in question is by
using a high pressure water pump and pumping water from
the bay against the side of the hill and simply washing the
sand away. This entails use of fire hose, suction hose,
a suitable pump, gasoline, etc. However, these items are
readily transportable by a small boat and can be used a
couple of days at a time, as over a week end, and removed
from the location; whereas heavy equipment besides being
prohibitively expensive, would attract too much attention and
would be almost impossible to transport to White Hill. Also
we are doing all this on week ends only in order not to
interfere with our regular jobs.
As soon as favorable weather permits we shall excavate to the
depths indicated at the spots indicated for the cache.
We tried digging for water at the spot indicated as follows:-
As near as possible we located spot on side of hill
corresponding to map location. A hole was dug about 4 ft.
wide, 5 ft. long, and 3 ft. deep. In center of this we dug
a small hole about a ft. in diameter using a shovel with a
9 ft. handle. Thus the bottom of the hole was 11 to 12 ft.
below surface. At this depth the sand was damp or moist
but no water ran into the hole. It is possible that errors
in picking out the spot on the hill corresponding to spot
you marked on map could have caused us to be off enough to
miss, for after all the bottom of the hole was only a ft. in
diameter, not leaving much margin for error. That is why I
believe when excavating for cache we should remove an area
about 8 ft. by 8 ft. or 10 ft. by 10 ft. to depth of 15 to
20 ft. to allow for any error in matching map location with
actual location. Since you located the other pig nut hickory
tree and the other pine stumps so accurately (within a
ft.) we won't be satisfied until we dig to the depths
you indicated at the location you indicated.
I still hope you may find it possible to come to Virginia
Beach and go over White Hill in person. We will keep you
advised of our progress and if you find it possible to come
to Virginia Beach, if only for a day or two, please let me
know.
Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce EEC:GD
5/19/52 Kenneth Roberts' letter to EEC:
Edgar E. Cayce, Esq.
320 Arctic Circle
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Mr. Cayce:
When you're ready to resume work, and have your pump, hose
and other things assembled on the site, you might send me a
schedule of days when you are going to be working, and I'll
do my best to send Henry to Virginia Beach, so that you
can take him out to your locations and let him do some
pin-pointing.
We'll do this for you at our own expense, as your reports
have been far more thorough than most of those that are made
by people for whom we try to do things. We have practically
been driven out of working for private individuals, as they
lack almost everything that would tend to further the work
we're trying to do. That is to say, they lack courage,
integrity, energy, money and sufficient intelligence to
follow our instructions. The only way we can get any sort
of adequate return is by working for corporations, and
occasionally taking on individuals who are able to show their
gratitude by putting their brains to work in a good cause.
Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM
5/30/52 EEC's letter:
Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:-
I was very pleased to receive your letter of the 19th saying
you would be able to come to Virginia Beach.
We will be prepared to begin operations early on Saturday,
June 14th, or early on Saturday, July 12th. If either of
these dates are unsatisfactory, we can begin work on July
19th or July 26th. We are having the Twenty-first Annual
Congress of our Association here on June 22nd through 28th
and my brother will be tied up completely over both week-ends
involved in this period. If Mr. Gross could arrive Thursday
night or early Friday morning I could take time off from work
to check with him the area and make location, then we could
begin work early Saturday morning. If you will advise me
of the date you select, I will make the necessary hotel
reservations. What type of accommodations would you prefer?
As a resort we have everything from a modest cottage to the
Cavalier at $25 a day.
I believe if we start early on a Saturday morning it may be
possible to check to the required depth by Sunday night on a
pin point location (if depths and locations are anywhere near
where we have been excavating). Let me state again:
(1) There will be no publicity of any kind.
(2) You will be entitled to and may have anything you deem
fair up to one-half of what we find.
(3) I realize that since most of your work has been on
locating water, this project may not succeed and that we both
are entering into it as an experiment; though the information
we have accumulated to date seems to offer a possibility of
success.
If there are any last minute changes in plans or schedules
contact Hugh Lynn Cayce, % Edgar Cayce Foundation, 308 Arctic
Crescent, Virginia Beach, Va. (Phone 954; after 5 P.M., 54th
St., Phone 1321-M) or Edgar E. Cayce, Michigan Ave. & West
Lane, Oceana, Va. (Phone Va. Beach 533-W after 5 P.M.).
Since I work in Norfolk and am in and out of office during
the day, I suggest you call Hugh Lynn if you have to call
before 5 P.M.
6/09/52 Kenneth Roberts' letter to EEC:
Edgar E. Cayce, Esq.
320 Arctic Circle
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Mr. Cayce:
Henry will fly from Boston at 12 noon on Thursday, July 10th.
He will arrive Norfolk, Virginia, at 5 o'clock Standard time
and take a bus from Norfolk to Virginia Beach.
He will be ready to pin-point with you on Friday, July 11th.
As to reservations, Henry prefers an economical cottage
rather than the Cavalier.
He should leave Virginia Beach by Sunday, so that he can be
back here on Monday.
I appreciate your suggestion that I make the trip too, but
it's impossible.
With all good wishes I am, Very sincerely yours, [signed]
Kenneth Roberts KR:MM
6/17/52 Kenneth Roberts' letter to EEC:
Edgar E. Cayce, Esq.
320 Arctic Circle
Virginia Beach, Virginia
Dear Mr. Cayce:
I had a visit recently from a Nassau man who has worked a
good deal on gold and silver deposits in the Bahamas. He
informs me that Fisher Research Laboratories, Palo Alto,
California, make an M-Scope, Heavy Duty Model, that works on
metal masses on land when they are no more than 20 feet in
depth. This scope will not pick up a single coin, but is
accurate, according to my correspondent, on any mass. It
sells for $195 plus a tax, which I believe brings it to $225.
It seems to me that if you're going to go ahead with searches
that must be expensive to you, and I'm going to take the
trouble to send Henry down to Virginia Beach at our expense,
you should equip yourself with any known instrument capable
of corroborating Henry's findings.
Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM
6/22/52 EEC's letter:
Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:
I appreciate your note of the 17th about the M scope. I
have some literature from several concerns, the best known
of which are Fisher and Goldak of Cal. They each make two or
three models of the same type locator. One is similar to an
army mine detector and has a range of two or three ft. It
will detect small objects such as bullets or coins a few
inches under the surface. Then there is the heavy duty model
or M scope (which will not pick up individual coins) but will
detect larger objects as cans, chests, sheets of metal, water
pipes, layers of ore etc. at greater depths. Also there is
a light weight model of the M scope with very nearly the same
range in a less deluxe case.
Though I am not an expert on metal detectors I know enough
electrical engineering to understand their working principles
and limitations. They consist of a transmitter and receiver
mounted perpendicular to each other on carrying handles.
This forms a sort of balanced bridge affair such that if
the ground over which the locator is carried is homogeneous
no sound will be heard in the receiver, or no deflection
indicated on a meter. However, if the locator is passed
over ground containing a metal object such as chest of
metal, water pipe, etc. the transmitted electrical field
is distorted by the difference in conductivity between the
metallic object and the surrounding ground, and a sound is
heard in receiver or a deflection noted on a meter. These
detectors will work over fresh water but NOT over salt water
since it is such an excellent conductor there is no way of
distinguishing between the salt water and the metal object.
Now the Town of Va. Beach had a heavy duty M scope a couple
of years ago which they used to make a survey of the water
pipes in the area. The town engineer at that time was a good
friend of mine and we did a lot of experimenting with the
device. Needless to say we covered White Hill with it and
found only some tin cans left by campers. We went so far
as to bury an old car engine block (about size of object we
expected to find) in sand at different depths. The deepest
the locator would detect it was about seven feet.
I have seen other similar detectors work and have letters
from purchasers of several different makes. I have some
lengthy correspondence from a man in Fla. who owns and has
used both the Fisher and Goldak instruments. His findings
agree with mine that the maximum range of these devices on
a metal object about two ft. by three ft. is around seven to
eight ft. In addition I have secured the performance curves
of these locators from the manufacturers (these are curves
showing the size of object being located plotted against the
depth of object in feet) These curves are linear for only
a short distance; then, they swing up sharply in a parabola
which means that to pick up anything at twenty to twenty-five
ft. it would have to be as big as a house; so, in spite of
claims of a 27 to 30 ft. range the best these instruments
will do according to the most optimistic performance curves
of the manufacturer on an object two ft. by three ft. on a
side is around eight to ten ft., and in actual practice I
believe it is somewhat less, although they would probably
pick up an automobile or a body of ore at fifteen or twenty
ft.
Now the VEPCO (where I work) has several of the light weight
models which they use to locate gas mains. By experiment I
have found these able to detect a two ft. by three ft. metal
object at six to seven ft. deep, and we will have one of
these available when Henry comes down.
I have gone into a good bit of detail to show you we have
not neglected the possibility of using metal locators. It
was because of their limitations I became so interested in
Henry's ability (after reading your book) as he didn't seem
to be limited by depth. Also these boxes or chests may be at
or near water level (probably salt water) and this would foul
up a metal detector.
We are making all preparations possible pending Henry's
arrival.
1. His reservations are made.
2. We are taking a few days off work the end of that week to
get pumps, hose, beat and all equipment ready to go.
3. A metal detector will be available, though I haven't much
hopes of its working unless the cache is above salt water
level and we can get within six to eight ft. of it.
4. We have secured some steel manhole forms to be used as
piling in case of digging.
If Henry can pinpoint the object accurately we plan to remove
as much of the surface sand as possible with the pumps and
then dig the remaining distance using the steel piling.
Since the area is all sand and on the side of a hill we hope
to accomplish this while Henry is here; it depends on exact
location and depth.
Hugh Lynn and I will arrange to meet Henry at the airport at
5:00 p.m., Thursday July 10 (standard time). If there is any
change in this time please wire me or Hugh Lynn.
I wish you could come too.
Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce
7/15/52 EEC's letter:
Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Roberts an Mr. Gross:
We certainly enjoyed meeting Henry and checking the White
Hill location with him. We deeply appreciate the time,
money, and effort spent by you both in this project with us.
We have not lost interest at all by the failure to locate any
specific chests. In fact we were amazed at how closely the
on the spot checking coincided with both your map work and
our information. I can see now how the fact that there
were several caches made at different times by different
individuals could have been confusing to anyone seeking
information in this manner. Also I can see that much care
must be taken in phrasing questions in order to get accurate
answers. I believe we have learned a little at least with
this experiment and I do not feel that failure in this
instance precludes success in the future.
In some of the maps Henry checked while here he picked two
spots exactly where we had information, though rod indicated
these had been removed. Also he picked a couple of more
places on which we have no definite information, though
tale of pirate treasure about in these areas.
I was very much interested in Henry's efforts at locating oil
and minerals. These may prove easier to check and prove than
isolated buried boxes or caches. We have some information
(in fact a good bit) on oil deposits and minerals in the
west. As soon as we have some one in a position to do some
work on these it would be interesting to check the areas by
map at least with Henry's rod.
With reference to second paragraph above I am enclosing a
large scale map of area where Henry indicated a buried chest
of which we have no definite information. Since the rod
indicated it was 72 ft. from ocean and only 5 1/2 feet deep
could be checked by the metal locator we have. If, when
you have the time, you can pin point it as close as possible
on enclosed map, and get distances from any possible nearby
landmarks I will try to get down that way and check area with
metal locator.
I hope Henry carried away from Va. Beach as favorable
impressions of us as we did of him and we look forward to
seeing him again as well as meeting you. Our interest has
increased rather than diminished. I would like to keep in
touch with you and to hear how you make out on the locating
of oil and minerals. Possibly a set of questions, similar
to what you have for locating water, could be worked up for
oil, minerals and pirate caches, that would be as successful
as your water dowsing. Henry mentioned some people down in
islands hunting stuff similar to ours; let us know how they
made out.
Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce
7/23/52 HLC's letter:
Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross
Water Unlimited, Inc.
Kennebunkport, Maine
Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:
May I add just a word of appreciation to my brother's letter
of July 15.
It was a real pleasure to meet and work with you, Mr. Gross,
and as I told my brother when I first met you, your whole
manner reminded me so much of my father that it was almost
like going back through the years.
Our interest was in no way diminished by our failure to
locate a cache at White Hill. There is no doubt in my
mind that some laws are involved which we simply do not
understand. We will continue our search for a better
understanding of these laws and I am sure that both of
you will do the same.
I look forward to the opportunity of meeting with you, Mr.
Roberts, and discussing this matter more fully at some later
date and it will always be a pleasure to have either of you
here in Virginia Beach whenever you are in this vicinity.
Sincerely yours, Hugh Lynn Cayce HLC:mb
cc- Mr. Edgar Evans Cayce, Oceana, Virginia
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