(Q) [
5453]: Where and in what time of history were these
four associated for destructive purposes? Give the name and
profession, and name of occupation of each of the appearances
on this plane of each of these four individuals.
[See 5717-5, Par. B1.]
(A) EC: Yes, we have these here. Their relations with
each, as in association on this plane at present, you see.
The only occasion, as known from earth plane, in their
association was, you see, that would be of beneficial
[influence?] at the present time, and that in which the
opposite conditions were expressed or shown, was in the
Trojan War - [
5717] as Hector [
9/19/33 See
294-161, Par. 1-Q,
EC's dream in re Hector and Trojan period.], [
4121] was in
charge of the main gate, and these of Cayce as that of
warrior, and [
5453] as guard, you see. In this their
destructive forces were shown for many ages, you see. In
this, and their relation as here in this plane at present,
should be as that in the same stage as we have given, for
that must be much upon the same line in the upbuilding as in
those that were in opposition to the common people, see? In
this we would find that this is a matter of record of
history.
In that of the appearance of individuals [[
294]; [
5453];
[
4121]; [
5717]], this will become a separated condition.
As we see in individual, the older one of this group [
294],
or that of the quicker appearance, we find the developed
plane of the forces as given for expression from these
universal forces as supplied from this.
We find this [
5453] was on the plane - the fifth vibration at
present. First from this we find as that of the associate to
Oglethorpe, of whom there is at present the discussion of
that condition. [?]
Then in one previous to that we find [
5453] in the lands of
the Norsemen. In there we find in some of these as is
brought, in the one of nature forces.
In the next we find [
5453] in that of the plain country in
the burning sands. In the dynasty of the Serbs in the
Persian forces [Ahasuerus-Xerxes?], and developed from that
force the incentive as is shown at present and before - still
in the same country.
There is in these we have here of [
4121], as given here, in
the 4th forces, as is shown in the development from that of
the French throne under that of Louis 15th. Hence the
aversion at present of those forces relative to these
conditions.
Again [we find [
4121]] under the wars of the Grecian forces,
in that when Alexander ruled the gate to Helicia, and there
the trodden forces of the invading warriors wrecked the
square of forces held by that individual.
Then, and in that before, we find [
4121] in the Egyptian hill
country.
In that as of [
5717] development from here - from Hector, to
that of the Monk in Spain, which has led the farthest
development upon the plane on the earth, or fifth plane.
In that of Cayce [
294] was first [going back from present] in
that of warrior forces in the north country in and near
[early Ft. Dearborn?] where the body is at present located
[Dayton, Ohio] - camped upon this spot. The destruction of
that physical has oft been through that of the sudden forces
- the water destructive [See
294-8, 294-19].
Then in one just previous was in that of the settler of
Jamestown, Va. [See
294-39, Par. 5-A indicating year 1625?].
Hence the call always of the coast country.
Then before this was in the rule of Richelieu (?)
[Louis XIII?] in France, when in that the forces were then
wrought in harmful ways to few.
And then that in Greece, under those of Armitidides (?)
[Archimedes?
287-212 B.C.] in that as a chemist under that
of Aristotle [born 384 B.C.]. [See
294-161 giving Trojan
sojourn - also 294-8.]
And before this in the plain country of Arabia, under the
plain forces, as has been seen [well and 3 palm trees seen in
dreams?], and in this only the remains of what was once this
body is still at this time - this plane now - a thing of fact
- in the cave of 7 1/4 miles Southwest from Shushtar, Arabia,
which cave is existing.
Before this in [Prehistory?] Rameses II, the forces were that
of the Priest [Ra-Ta] who became the outcast from the court,
yet the remains were cast in this tomb.
And before, just upon the waters when the morning stars sang
together and the Sons of God came together and spread the
news of the glory of the coming. Amen. [See continuation in
294-8 on
2/09/24.]
BACKGROUND
10/22/23 Mr. [
5717] obtained
5717-4 in re Plan of Protected
Investment Co., according to the Red Date Book of
appointments. However, no copy is on file. [GD's note:
Apparently, from 5717-5, Par. Q-1 on down, information was
given in
5717-4 regarding the four individuals having been
associated in the past for destructive purposes and that they
now should work together constructively. At least I heard
Edgar Cayce tell this many times, and it must have been in
this
5717-4. Apparently Edgar Cayce was not given a file
copy of this reading, though it is listed on Red Date Book as
being given at 9:30 P.M. on
10/22/23, at the home of Mr.
[
5717] and Mrs. [
4227], the steno for
5717-4 and 5717-5. See
GD's note at 5717-5, Par. R1.]
[JT's note:
12/04/92 5717-4 was recovered via Tom Kay.]
REPORTS
GD's note: Readings
5717-4 and 5717-5 were taken down by the
same steno, Mrs. [
4227], who was Mr. [
5717]'s wife. I am
thinking that some of the information in 5717-5 may have come
at the end of
5717-4, a business reading for Mr. [
5717] of
which we have no copy, and was written out in manuscript form
and later blended with the information in 5717-5 since it all
related to the association of the four individuals who had
been told that they were associated previously for
destructive purposes; and now should be associated for
constructive purposes.
[JT's note:
12/04/92 5717-4 was recovered via Tom Kay.]
11/12/23 Mr. [
5717] obtained a Special Reading on lands in
Clay County, Tenn., of which we have no copy - See
5717-6.
See subsequent notations under
5717-6 Reports.
