Edgar Cayce Readings, 5749-5

Time: 3:35 to 4:00 P. M.

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GC: You will have before you Edgar Cayce, present in this room, and his enquiring mind in relation to the talk which he expects to give next Monday evening on the "Second Coming." You will give what he should present at this open meeting on this subject.
EC: That which crowds in at the present may be well for those present, but would it be well for those in open meeting? From this experience, though, there may be gathered that which has been given and that which may be helpful to many in the comprehension of that which is the experience of those that seek through such channels to have for themselves the experience that may be had by those here in this room in the present.
Be mindful then, each of you, of that ye may inwardly experience in that which may be given you.
For, those experiences that have been told you of the vision [See EC's dream of a.m.] of the gathering of those that were known to many in this present land and in the lands abroad were in reference to just those things that may be said respecting the Coming.
Many of these have ministered, have preached concerning this Second Coming. Not a one but what has at some time left the record of his contemplations and experiences in those environs, whether made in the heart and mind of his hearers or in the written word; yet here today, in what ye call time, ye find them gathering in a body to LISTEN to that as may be given them by [Edgar Cayce?] one who is to be a forerunner of that influence in the earth known as the Christ Consciousness, the coming of that force or power into the earth that has been spoken of through the ages.
Listen, while he speaks! [Edgar Cayce?]
Ye, my brethren, in your ignorance and in your zeal have often spoken of that influence in the earth known among men as the record made by those that would influence the activities in the religious or spiritual life of individuals through the ages, as a record of the Son of man as He walked in the earth. Rather would ye listen and harken to those things as He spoke when He made those inferences and illustrations as to how those had closed and did close their ears to what was actually going on about them; yet they knew Him not! He, our Lord and our Master, was the first among those that put on immortality that there might be the opportunity for those forces that had erred in spiritual things; and only through experiencing in a manner whereunto all might be visioned from their greater abilities of manifesting in the various phases, forms and manners as they developed through that ye know as matter, could they come to know how or why or when there was made manifest in any realm spirit that was good and spirit that was in error. For, He gave thee, had ye not KNOWN the Son ye would NOT be condemned in thine own self. For, condemnation was not in Him, but "ye are condemned already." And in the coming into the influence of those that would open themselves for an understanding might there be the approach to Him. He has come in all ages through those that were the spokesmen to a people in this age, that age, called unto a purpose for the manifestation of that first idea.
Readst thou how the sons of God came together, and Satan came also? "Hast thou considered my servant? Hast thou seen his ways?" And the answer, even from the evil force, "Put forth thine hand - touch him in those things that pertain to the satisfying of desire that is flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face." Then, "He is in thine hand, but touch not his soul - touch not his soul!"
So we see how that the coming into the earth has been and is for the evolution or the evolving of the soul unto its awareness of the effect of all influences in its experience in the varied spheres of activity; and that only in Him who was the creator, the maker, the experiencer of mortality and spirit and soul COULD this be overcome.
Then, the necessity. For, has it not been said, has it not been shown in the experience of the earth, the world, from any angle it may be considered, that He has not willed that any should be lost - but has prepared the way of escape in Him, the Maker?
But who is the worthy servant? He that has endured unto the end!
Then, He has come in all ages when it has been necessary for the understanding to be centered in a NEW application of the same thought, "God IS Spirit and seeks such to worship him in spirit and in truth!"
Then, as there is prepared the way by those that have made and do make the channels for the entering in, there may come into the earth those influences that will save, regenerate, resuscitate, HOLD - if you please - the earth in its continued activity toward the proper understanding and proper relationships to that which is the making for the closer relationships to that which is in Him ALONE. Ye have seen it in Adam; ye have heard it in Enoch, ye have had it made known in Melchizedek; Joshua, Joseph, David, and those that made the preparation then for him called Jesus. [GD's note: Essenes, School of Prophets started by Elijah. See Malachi 3 and 4] Ye have seen His Spirit in the leaders in all realms of activity, whether in the isles of the sea, the wilderness, the mountain, or in the various activities of every race, every color, every activity of that which has produced and does produce contention in the minds and hearts of those that dwell in the flesh.
For, what must be obliterated? Hate, prejudice, selfishness, backbiting, unkindness, anger, passion, and those things of the mire that are created in the activities of the sons of men.
Then again He may come in body to claim His own. Is He abroad today in the earth? Yea, in those that cry unto Him from every corner; for He, the Father, hath not suffered His soul to see corruption; neither hath it taken hold on those things that make the soul afraid. For, He IS the Son of Light, of God, and is holy before Him. And He comes again in the hearts and souls and minds of those that seek to know His ways.
These be hard to be understood by those in the flesh, where prejudice, avarice, vice of all natures holds sway in the flesh; yet those that call on Him will not go empty handed - even as thou, in thine ignorance, in thine zealousness that has at times eaten thee up. Yet HERE ye may hear the golden sceptre ring - ring - in the hearts of those that seek His face. Ye, too, may minister in those days when He will come in the flesh, in the earth, to call His own by name.
We are through.
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BACKGROUND

1/19/34 See 3976-15.

REPORTS

5/01/34 At beginning of reading [5749-5], before it started, GD saw Sphinx-face ALIVE, expressive, with wise owl on its right shoulder.
When EC awoke from reading he said he saw (during the reading [378-28]) evangelists - Sam Jones, D. L. Moody and many others - heard them talk - all on train (white and gold) going to hear John, the Beloved speak. D. L. Moody told EC not to go too far, he had to come back.
DREAM (or Experience) as told by EC, upon awaking from 378-28 this A.M.:
I went just a while ago (before the reading) and looked at the newspapers to see what the picture was on tonight, and it was something about a train east or some such thing as that, (Sleepers East), but when I had this experience it all happened on a train.
I do not know whether this made it - does this make it? Of course, it wasn't anything, I am sure, like the picture must be because on this train was Mr. Moody and Sam Jones and George Stuart, (all deceased evangelists) and all those people going to a meeting where somebody was going to teach and it was someone we had seen before, for it appeared to me to be that it was John who was going to teach, John the Disciple.
I was on the train there with them and they were discussing as to what they had preached when they were here and what their experiences were since they had been on the other side. (Someone asked EC what they said.) Well, some of them said that they didn't think any of it was so, that they thought was so when they were here. Another said "Yes, it is exactly what you preached". Another one said, "Well, that wasn't just my experience."
Then I asked Mr. Moody if he remembered me. [EC had some experiences with Mr. Moody on earth]. He said, "Oh, yes, but you are not just like we are. You are not in the same place with us. You are on this same train with us right now, but don't forget you have to go back and don't you get too far away."
Mr. Moody seemed to be sort of a listener, yet when he spoke everybody kept silent, and as usual Sam Jones was one who would speak quite often, and he was still having some joke on somebody there and he was still chewing tobacco - that I don't understand. He did spit just like this [EC demonstrated].
Sam Jones said, "Well, things are quite a bit different from what I preached or imagined they were;" then he turned to George Stuart and said, "George, don't you find it that way?" I heard Sam Jones say that Excel was going to lead the singing when they go over to this meeting. George said they were quite a bit different. "We are going to meetings and still going to meetings; the only difference is that we are being preached to instead of preaching, for we have found that we didn't know it all." Some of them turned to Mr. Moody and I think Sam Jones said, "D. L., how do you find it?"
He said, "Well, it isn't so different. You know what we called human nature is still human nature - it isn't so different." They seemed to be having just as good a time as they ever did.
Mr. Moody said to me, "Oh, yes, I remember you and I remember the tale I told you about the little girl."
[Ques. asked EC: "Did they speak of any others and call them by name?"] They had to stop and let Smith on the train.
[On being asked further questions:] I simply found myself on this train. It was all white and gold inside and the chairs were like club seats, nice, big downy cushions. Someone said, "Sam, aren't you afraid you will get that tobacco juice on the cushions?" I rather liked it because I might get a chance to smoke.
What did they say about the meeting? They said they were going to a big meeting, when I asked Sam Jones where they all were going. They stopped at this place when Mr. Smith got on.
Sam Jones asked a riddle: "Do you know why they have twin beds?" Some other man said, "No why?" He said, "On account of onions." Everybody laughed.
[This brought quite a bit of discussion by those present. EC said everything had to have a source in the spiritual before it could manifest in the earth. Everything in the earth is a pattern of that in the spiritual.]
They said, "You must get off before it goes too far."
[Ques.: "Did you have any desire to go on?"] I wanted to go ahead and I knew that if they went through the next tunnel I wouldn't get off.
There was another man on there that I knew and he was the one that was insisting that Mr. Smith was going to get on the train. There was another funny thing about it - all of them were dressed in white. I didn't notice what I had on. The lights were on the side of the wall and on the ceiling. It certainly was a very nice experience - I could hear that train, the noise of the wheels and the whistle.
That makes two or three times that I have heard that John was going to talk in a dream, but I never heard him talk. I would like to have gone on to the meeting.
[In discussion which followed the telling of this experience Mrs. Cayce said that Sam Jones frequently referred to the song, "Life's Railway to Heaven" in his sermons or liked to have it sung. This may or may not have a bearing on the means of conveyance which Edgar Cayce used in the dream.]
5/07/34 EC gave a lecture in Norfolk on THE SECOND COMING, based on material in the 5749-5 reading. [5/17/71 GD's note: See 1/01/61 Searchlight, The Visible & Univisible.]
7/09/34 See 5756-13, Par. 9, re. above meeting and the evangelists mentioned.
10/21/37 See 281-38 Par. 16, saying EC should be called John.
1/13/40 EC's dream see under 294-189 Reports in re Jesus volunteering to go to the earth to "strengthen my brethren," using EC as messenger [forerunner]. Also see 12/12/42, 1/05/43 and 7/10/43 recording of similar dream under 294-196 Reports.
8/11/72 GD's note: The Mr. Smith mentioned in EC's dream was a well known evangelist, a contemporary of Dwight L. Moody, Sam Jones, Excel, etc., whose first name I can not remember. Also Billy Sunday was a famous evangelist mentioned often in EC's correspondence and conversation (born 1863, died 1935), but not included in EC's above dream.
See Source File Key #5749 for 8/10/74 Virginian-Pilot article on Billy Sunday; also 1/01/80 article in El-Paso Herald Post - MESSIAH coming, re 5749-5.